From: Jim Thompson on
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:09:57 -0800 (PST), osr(a)uakron.edu wrote:

>On Feb 25, 2:00�pm, o...(a)uakron.edu wrote:
>> > � �You want real fun? �Try to align a 'Tubular Filter' without a network
>> > analyzer.
>>
>> > --
>> > Greed is the root of all eBa
>>
>> That DOES NOT need to be the five hours it usually takes...
>>
>> On odd element microwave ones, short the Inner element. Adjust the
>> outer ones for �SWR as desired, open up the inner one.
>>
>> Dishal's method.... The guy wrote a brilliant paper on it..
>>
>> Steve
>
>Ah found it:
>
>Dishal, M., � Alignment and Adjustment of Synchronously Tuned Multiple-
>Resonant-
>Circuit Filters,� Elec. Commun., pp. 154-164, June, 1952.
>
> Also see Hayward,
>� Introduction to Radio Frequency Design,� ARRL, 1994, pp95-101.
>
>Steve
>

Steve, Many of us have no access to either of those articles (I have
only 1981 and 1999 ARRL Handbooks).

Can you post, or provide a link where IEEE rears their ugly head ?:-)

Thanks!

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From: Joel Koltner on
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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> Can you post, or provide a link where IEEE rears their ugly head ?:-)

I can scan in the snippet out of Hayward tonight if no one else already has a
PDF of it...

From: Jim Thompson on
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:22:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:09:57 -0800 (PST), osr(a)uakron.edu wrote:
>
>>On Feb 25, 2:00�pm, o...(a)uakron.edu wrote:
>>> > � �You want real fun? �Try to align a 'Tubular Filter' without a network
>>> > analyzer.
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > Greed is the root of all eBa
>>>
>>> That DOES NOT need to be the five hours it usually takes...
>>>
>>> On odd element microwave ones, short the Inner element. Adjust the
>>> outer ones for �SWR as desired, open up the inner one.
>>>
>>> Dishal's method.... The guy wrote a brilliant paper on it..
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>Ah found it:
>>
>>Dishal, M., � Alignment and Adjustment of Synchronously Tuned Multiple-
>>Resonant-
>>Circuit Filters,� Elec. Commun., pp. 154-164, June, 1952.
>>
>> Also see Hayward,
>>� Introduction to Radio Frequency Design,� ARRL, 1994, pp95-101.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>Steve, Many of us have no access to either of those articles (I have
>only 1981 and 1999 ARRL Handbooks).
>
>Can you post, or provide a link where IEEE rears their ugly head ?:-)
>
>Thanks!
>

Googling on....

"Alignment and Adjustment of Synchronously Tuned
Multiple-Resonant-Circuit Filters" -ieee -wipo -patent -portal

Give two returns, one in some oriental script, the other just a
reference :-(

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From: Joel Koltner on
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:gkjdo551mlj1b5t9auebvt5l18nfucubte(a)4ax.com...
> Give two returns, one in some oriental script, the other just a
> reference :-(

This one will get you some of the flavor of the technique:
http://www.johansontechnology.com/en/technical-notes/rf-capacitors-a-inductors/dishal-bandpass-filter-tuning-using-lasertrimr-chip-caps.html

I've tried this at 70cm, and while it works, if you just have a bunch of,
e.g., capacitor-coupled LC resonators on FR4, it still requires some
hand-tweaking in that you're already getting to the point where there's a
little bit of coupling through "opens" and a slightly noticeable little bit of
impedance through "shorts."

---Joel

From: Jim Thompson on
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:31:50 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:gkjdo551mlj1b5t9auebvt5l18nfucubte(a)4ax.com...
>> Give two returns, one in some oriental script, the other just a
>> reference :-(
>
>This one will get you some of the flavor of the technique:
>http://www.johansontechnology.com/en/technical-notes/rf-capacitors-a-inductors/dishal-bandpass-filter-tuning-using-lasertrimr-chip-caps.html
>
>I've tried this at 70cm, and while it works, if you just have a bunch of,
>e.g., capacitor-coupled LC resonators on FR4, it still requires some
>hand-tweaking in that you're already getting to the point where there's a
>little bit of coupling through "opens" and a slightly noticeable little bit of
>impedance through "shorts."
>
>---Joel

Thanks, Joel!

If no one comes forth with the actual paper in the next few days,
could you scan the snippet out of Hayward?

Thanks again!

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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