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From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 8 May 2010 00:57
Greegor wrote:
>
> On May 5, 8:26 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> PH > "Its better to let 10 guilty men go free
> PH > than to convict one innocent man."
>
> I wish that axiom was still clung to, but
> our system threw that out DECADES ago.
>
> There might be some veneer or pretense that
> says that, but in general practice, no.
>
> In Child Protection cases they skirt the
> issue of conviction while trampling Liberty
> interests that are even MORE sacred than
> the Liberty interest against mere jail/prison time.

But here, or for other crimes, the damage that might be caused by
letting he guilty go free could be pretty serious. So that's their
motivation.

In the grand scheme of things, letting a few latinos get away with
mowing lawns or washing dishes just won't justify the inconvenience I'll
have to put up with.

And making illegals fear contact with law enforcement will just make
them easier prey for criminals.

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From: Jim Yanik on 8 May 2010 01:27
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote in
news:4BE4EF44.13A27270(a)Hovnanian.com:


> And making illegals fear contact with law enforcement will just make
> them easier prey for criminals.
>

Then they should go back to their own country.

Besides,they already ARE criminals;FELONS,for entering the US illegally.

Criminals SHOULD fear contact with law enforcement.


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From: dagmargoodboat on 8 May 2010 11:53
On May 8, 12:57 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:

> In the grand scheme of things, letting a few latinos get away with
> mowing lawns or washing dishes just won't justify the inconvenience I'll
> have to put up with.

Those who live far from the border don't seem to understand the size &
scope of the problem. It's not just a couple--half the kids in my
SIL's elementary classroom (in a non-Hispanic area) were non-english-
speaking kids of illegals. The local legal kids were consigned to the
other half.

In effect she had two separate classrooms packed into one, and had to
teach each separately, cutting instruction for both in half.

That's a formula for disaster, which it pretty much was.

Also, the state pays roughly $12k a year per kid for that...it's an
expensive disaster. That's for schools--now imagine the load on the
emergency rooms, social services, etc.


James Arthur
From: Bill Bowden on 10 May 2010 22:49
On May 7, 9:57 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
>
> > On May 5, 8:26 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> > PH > "Its better to let 10 guilty men go free
> > PH > than to convict one innocent man."
>
> > I wish that axiom was still clung to, but
> > our system threw that out DECADES ago.
>
> > There might be some veneer or pretense that
> > says that, but in general practice, no.
>
> > In Child Protection cases they skirt the
> > issue of conviction while trampling Liberty
> > interests that are even MORE sacred than
> > the Liberty interest against mere jail/prison time.
>
> But here, or for other crimes, the damage that might be caused by
> letting he guilty go free could be pretty serious. So that's their
> motivation.
>
> In the grand scheme of things, letting a few latinos get away with
> mowing lawns or washing dishes just won't justify the inconvenience I'll
> have to put up with.
>
> And making illegals fear contact with law enforcement will just make
> them easier prey for criminals.
>

In the grand scheme of things, illegals crossing the border are
jumping in line ahead of those waiting legal entry. They don't care
about you or me, they just care about getting there first and making
others wait. And illegals fearing contact with law enforcement is
nothing new, since criminals have always feared contact with law
enforcement.

So, what else is new?

> --
> Paul Hovnanian     mailto:P...(a)Hovnanian.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Happily doing the work of 3 Men ... Moe, Larry & Curly

From: UltimatePatriot on 10 May 2010 23:20
On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:49:13 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden
<wrongaddress(a)att.net> wrote:

>On May 7, 9:57�pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>> Greegor wrote:
>>
>> > On May 5, 8:26 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>> > PH > "Its better to let 10 guilty men go free
>> > PH > than to convict one innocent man."
>>
>> > I wish that axiom was still clung to, but
>> > our system threw that out DECADES ago.
>>
>> > There might be some veneer or pretense that
>> > says that, but in general practice, no.
>>
>> > In Child Protection cases they skirt the
>> > issue of conviction while trampling Liberty
>> > interests that are even MORE sacred than
>> > the Liberty interest against mere jail/prison time.
>>
>> But here, or for other crimes, the damage that might be caused by
>> letting he guilty go free could be pretty serious. So that's their
>> motivation.
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, letting a few latinos get away with
>> mowing lawns or washing dishes just won't justify the inconvenience I'll
>> have to put up with.
>>
>> And making illegals fear contact with law enforcement will just make
>> them easier prey for criminals.
>>
>
>In the grand scheme of things, illegals crossing the border are
>jumping in line ahead of those waiting legal entry. They don't care
>about you or me, they just care about getting there first and making
>others wait. And illegals fearing contact with law enforcement is
>nothing new, since criminals have always feared contact with law
>enforcement.
>
>So, what else is new?
>



What should be *new* is how we handle the bastards.

Men and women and families get returned as normal.

Drug dealers, coyotes, and criminals become buzzard food.

Break the neck, and launch carcass to other side of fence as a reminder
to those that are still over there.

Presumption of innocence is only for citizens.

False entry into our land (border incursion) is a CRIME, and
presumption of guilt is the order of the day!
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