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From: Grumps on 5 Jun 2007 05:17
"Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:f436ci$sue$1(a)aioe.org...
> Grumps wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Simple question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
>> I'm trying to find a simple 56k modem that has a Windows Vista driver.
>> Every modem I've found so far only states Win98/SE/2000/ME/XP. Would the
>> XP driver work, or is there a real Vista modem driver out there
>> somewhere?
>> TIA
>
> Try looking on the support page, for the products you are interested in.
> I got lucky on the first try. The magic word Vista is mentioned here.
>
> http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610b
>
> The driver is a tiny download, and looks to be mainly an INF file.
> This is the header of the file. The rest of the file appears
> to modify the registry, so it isn't much of a driver in that
> sense. (And that is because this modem is a hardware modem.)
>
> *******
> ; USR5610.INF, version 6.22.70.03
> ; Copyright 2000-2006, U.S. Robotics Corporation
> ; Windows 95,98,2000,XP(32&64),Vista(32&64) INF Support for U.S. Robotics
> V92 Fax PCI (5610B).
> ; Modified by U.S. Robotics Corporation PQA-CF on 8/17/2001 1:55PM.
> ; Modified by U.S. Robotics Corporation -TS on 3/25/2003 12:03 PM
> ; Updated DriverVer 5.22.66.00 by U.S. Robotics Corporation -TS on
> 8/06/2003 2:47 PM
> ; Updated DriverVer 5.22.68.00 by U.S. Robotics Corporation -TS on
> 8/07/2003 4:48 PM
> ; Updated DriverVer 5.22.70.00 by U.S. Robotics Corporation -TS on
> 11/20/2003 5:11 PM
> ; Added support for XP x64 OS 5.22.70.01 modified by USR-TS on 08/04/2005
> 3:25 PM
> ; Fixed Modem response NO DIALTONE and DIAG by MS PRojects -TS on
> 10/04/2005 1:16 PM
> ; Changed .NTx86.5.1 to NT.5.1,NT.5.2 by USR-TS on 05/09/2006 11:20 AM.
> ; 11/15/2006, 6.22.70.03 added support Vista&fixed SourceDiskName USR-TS
> *******
>
> There are some Winmodem type designs, where the driver is
> actual code (executable), and it decodes the tones on the phone line.
> That is bound to be more complicated, and since that is a real driver,
> it might take more work to make a Vista version.
>
> For example, I tried looking for driver support for the USR 5699b,
> which is stated to be a Winmodem. And they have a Vista driver for it!
> The driver in this case, is 0.9MB in size, so the driver is a lot
> larger than the tiny INF file used by the other one. (One thing that
> is weird in the following links, is the driver is stored in a "5699c"
> folder, even though the product is a 5699b.)
>
> (Download page)
> http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5699b
> (Download file)
> http://www.usr.com/support/5699c/5699c-files/5699-Vista-x86-v338.zip
> (Product page)
> http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?type=specs&sku=USR5699B
>
> The reviews for that Winmodem don't look that good. It is cheaper, to be
> sure,
> but not many people liked it.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16825104137
>
> Some reviews for the 5610B are here. The design appears to be a few years
> old.
> Since the hard part is done in hardware, on the card, it costs more, but
> should be less bothered by driver issues.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Robotics-PERFORMANCE-V-92-56K-MODEM-USR325610B/dp/customer-reviews/B00006HU75
>
> Actually, in some tests I did a couple years back, I got 1% more thruput
> on a Winmodem, versus an external USR Courier modem. Which surprised me.
> So a Winmodem can in fact, be very good. The hard part, is figuring out
> which Winmodems have decent software. You can spend $10 for the Winmodem
> many times over, trying to find one with good driver code. But they do
> exist.

Thank you for a comprehensive reply.
In the UK, my favourite suppliers seem to have several modems at �5/$10,
then a gap and the next modems come in at �20+. Of course, all of the
cheaper modems don't say Vista; so it'll have to be more investigation on
the manufacturers' web sites. Or just go for the Dell modem (�20).

However, as Kony mentioned, it may be better to ignore Vista an go with MCE;
then I can use any $10 device.
Thanks again.


From: Grumps on 5 Jun 2007 05:18
"kony" <spam(a)spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:47:54 +0100, "Grumps"
> <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"kony" <spam(a)spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:i25a631ip1nka06oe79gkk0jgjprb920d4(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:29:26 +0100, "Grumps"
>>> <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>Simple question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
>>>
>>> The simple answer is don't use Vista until every last piece
>>> of hardware is suported. Even then, it would be crazy, to
>>> use such a crippled POS but if you're a glutton for
>>> punishment...
>>
>>Thanks.
>>The PC is not yet purchased. It will be a Dell, and they offer Vista or
>>MCE.
>>I guess MCE would be the prefered choice then.
>>
>>What makes Vista crippled?
>>
>
> Everything? It's a beta OS with substantial bugs + DRM.
> Even deleting a few files is potentially thwarted by vista
> with several minutes wait, which is a sad joke.
>
> In the end, the choice is a Vista aeroglass UI which is less
> productive, vs XP which is more desirable in every way
> possibe besides MS deceitful advertising.
>
> Don't use Vista untill there is a clear reason to do so that
> outweighs the detriments.

Thanks.


From: GT on 5 Jun 2007 06:23
"Grumps" <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All
>
> Simple question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
> I'm trying to find a simple 56k modem that has a Windows Vista driver.
> Every modem I've found so far only states Win98/SE/2000/ME/XP. Would the
> XP driver work, or is there a real Vista modem driver out there somewhere?

You'll probably find that any modem will be supported by either XP or Vista.
56k Modems are ancient technology as far as PCs are concerened. I don't
think there are any new modem chipsets around, so I would expect any modem
to work out of the box, possibly even auto-detected without driver disks
being required.

Perhaps counter-intuitively, I would expect the cheapest models to work best
as they probably use basic, common components that will have the broadest
support.

Watch out for your connectors though - a new Dell probably won't have a
serial (old 9-pin type) port, so check what ports are available if you are
looking at external modems. Another thing to check is whether the Dell comes
with a modem build-in. Most laptops have one built-in, so if you are looking
at a laptop, then your modem search is over.


From: Grumps on 5 Jun 2007 07:07
"GT" <ContactGT_remove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Grumps" <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ckhteF2v9bl7U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Hi All
>>
>> Simple question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
>> I'm trying to find a simple 56k modem that has a Windows Vista driver.
>> Every modem I've found so far only states Win98/SE/2000/ME/XP. Would the
>> XP driver work, or is there a real Vista modem driver out there
>> somewhere?
>
> You'll probably find that any modem will be supported by either XP or
> Vista. 56k Modems are ancient technology as far as PCs are concerened. I
> don't think there are any new modem chipsets around, so I would expect any
> modem to work out of the box, possibly even auto-detected without driver
> disks being required.
>
> Perhaps counter-intuitively, I would expect the cheapest models to work
> best as they probably use basic, common components that will have the
> broadest support.
>
> Watch out for your connectors though - a new Dell probably won't have a
> serial (old 9-pin type) port, so check what ports are available if you are
> looking at external modems. Another thing to check is whether the Dell
> comes with a modem build-in. Most laptops have one built-in, so if you are
> looking at a laptop, then your modem search is over.

Thanks. It's going to be a Dell tower which doesn't have a serial port. They
will gladly supply a modem for about �20.


From: GT on 5 Jun 2007 16:35
"Grumps" <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "GT" <ContactGT_remove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46653802$0$455$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> "Grumps" <grumpsnothere(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ckhteF2v9bl7U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Simple question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
>>> I'm trying to find a simple 56k modem that has a Windows Vista driver.
>>> Every modem I've found so far only states Win98/SE/2000/ME/XP. Would the
>>> XP driver work, or is there a real Vista modem driver out there
>>> somewhere?
>>
>> You'll probably find that any modem will be supported by either XP or
>> Vista. 56k Modems are ancient technology as far as PCs are concerened. I
>> don't think there are any new modem chipsets around, so I would expect
>> any modem to work out of the box, possibly even auto-detected without
>> driver disks being required.
>>
>> Perhaps counter-intuitively, I would expect the cheapest models to work
>> best as they probably use basic, common components that will have the
>> broadest support.
>>
>> Watch out for your connectors though - a new Dell probably won't have a
>> serial (old 9-pin type) port, so check what ports are available if you
>> are looking at external modems. Another thing to check is whether the
>> Dell comes with a modem build-in. Most laptops have one built-in, so if
>> you are looking at a laptop, then your modem search is over.
>
> Thanks. It's going to be a Dell tower which doesn't have a serial port.
> They will gladly supply a modem for about �20.

I would go with the Dell option - they will install it (and drivers) and
make sure it is all working and you won't invalidate your warranty when you
open the case on your new PC!


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