From: elturco on 12 Nov 2009 07:18 Lets take another point of view: Who didn´t have problems with Windows OS, remember changing from 95 to 98, Millenium, 2000, Xp, Xp 64, Vista, Vista 64, and now 7, so at least for me this happened 5 times (last was Vista 64) and not only with HP calculators, when the PC is used for professional applications we are talking about much more money than a calc costs, it sounds funny but even progs like autocad2009 (U$S5000) don´t work like they should, there are 16 bit applications that must have been replaced by the users, if you can manage 10g or more memory with 4 processors why can´t run a 16 bit cheap program?. The antivirus runs like an F1 but I can´t connect a gps of U$S 10000 because I don´t have drivers. This remembers me a Simpsons episode where an F14 can´t catch a Wright brothers prototype because it is too slow. So now I have a brand new computer, and of course the first thing I bought was the PCI to Serial card adapter that didn´t work with Vista64 so I must change to USB to Serial cable adapter that didn´t work with all devices, solution: Windows XP and USB to Serial cable adapter, 64 bit applications were totally sacrificed for the moment....
From: JAM on 12 Nov 2009 08:35 On Nov 11, 7:06 pm, "dataj...(a)gmail.com" <dataj...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 11, 7:05 am, JAM <ja_1...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 10, 10:45 am, "John H Meyers" <jhmey...(a)nomail.invalid> wrote: > > > > It is older than it appears, > > > because the HP50G might still have been called HP49G+, > > > ... > > > John. > > > Agreed, but it is still their best. You can say the same about TI89. > > It is just a facelift / upgrade of the old TI92. But TI did managed to > > upgrade their TIConnect software with a patch that works on Windows 7 > > 64 bit. It is just a matter of treating your customer with respect. HP > > is still selling HP50g to students. How many students these days will > > get their college laptop with XP ? > > A better question would have been how many college student will use > Windows? > > My kid just started NYU as a freshmen. Every kid on her dorm room > floor has a Mac. As I surveyed coffee shops and the library I > estimated about 2/3 of the students had Macs. > > So where is the official 50g support for the Mac? I already know > abouthttp://hpconnect.sourceforge.net, which is grand, but some have > had no luck with it. There is nothing in the documentation for Mac > support and nothing on HP's site. > > BTW, I also noticed a lot of TIs and no HPs on campus. Perhaps there > is nothing to worry about. :-) I know Macs are in fashion especially for art students who do not need HP50g in general. It is not very smart however for engineering students to use Macs. Sure they can do it. Young people do a lot of stupid things just to be "different". I know a student who bought his shiny 13' underpowered Mac just to end up running it constantly in Windows mode for all his studies related software. The fact is that most of their future work related software will not work on Macs but on Windows. Industrial CAD, CAE and numerous engineering applications are 99% Windows these days. All the big manufacturing corporations are 100% Windows. Microsfot Office is dominant for engineering companies. It is just a fact of life. Corporations will never invest in Macs. They lack software and their cost cannot be sanely justified. Plus Macs are so Holywood. C'mon man, grow up :-) JAM
From: Michael J. Schülke on 12 Nov 2009 11:37 JAM schrieb: > I know Macs are in fashion especially for art students who do not need > HP50g in general. It is not very smart however for engineering > students to use Macs. As a physicist, I don't profess to know much about engineers or engineering students. I do know, however, that computer scientists and and (computational) physicists were among the first to switch when OS X came out, generally to cries of "Finally, a UNIX with a decent desktop"... Regards, Michael
From: datajerk on 12 Nov 2009 12:15 On Nov 12, 9:37 am, Michael J. Schülke <n...(a)mjschuelke.de> wrote: > JAM schrieb: > > > I know Macs are in fashion especially for art students who do not need > > HP50g in general. It is not very smart however for engineering > > students to use Macs. > > As a physicist, I don't profess to know much about engineers or > engineering students. I do know, however, that computer scientists and > and (computational) physicists were among the first to switch when OS X > came out, generally to cries of "Finally, a UNIX with a decent > desktop"... Same here. I work in high performance computing. Most of my government and university customers all of which are physicists, mathematicians, chemists, engineers, etc... mostly use OS/X. None use calculators.
From: JAM on 12 Nov 2009 15:36
On Nov 12, 11:37 am, Michael J. Schülke <n...(a)mjschuelke.de> wrote: > JAM schrieb: > > > I know Macs are in fashion especially for art students who do not need > > HP50g in general. It is not very smart however for engineering > > students to use Macs. > > As a physicist, I don't profess to know much about engineers or > engineering students. I do know, however, that computer scientists and > and (computational) physicists were among the first to switch when OS X > came out, generally to cries of "Finally, a UNIX with a decent > desktop"... > > Regards, > Michael Micheal To be fair, in the past most engineering applications were run on Unix. CAD, CAE, you name it. However Office was practically always Microsoft since I remember (last 20 years or so). It created a situation that many engineers were running two computers - Unix workstation for engineering applications and Windows desktop or recently laptop for office communication etc. This put pressure on software companies to rewrite it's software in Windows. Now almost every modern application in CAE od CAD is Windows based any many of those companies are abandoning or completely abandoned Unix. Fact is Mac or any other operating system will never have in many yeas in the future anywhere near in quantity and quality of available software as Windows based machines are enjoying. That is Why Mac was forced finally to dual boot into Windows not the other way around :-) JAM |