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From: Duncan Kennedy on 11 Aug 2010 11:43 J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > Richard Kettlewell <rjk(a)greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) writes: > > > > > > > > > For me nothing beats the old model Kensington trackballs > > > > > with the BIG ball and big steel rollers. > > > > > Later Kensingtons are inferior to that, > > > > > with tiny ball bearings that tend to clog up. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are no longer made, > > > > > and tend to fail in the long run. > > > > > > > > I'm a fan of these: > > > > > > > > http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html > > > > > > > > Still don't understand why they're called a 'mouse' though. > > > > > > Yes, that's the newer model. > > > I prefer the older one with the six rapid fire buttons. > > > (even though I rarely use them) > > > > > I'm using one of these right now on my Mac Mini - not bad at all and the > > ring round the big ball has some advantages over a standard wheel. > > > > My older ones -4 and 2 buttons with ball bearings fell a bit "grinding" > > now but the haven't been used in anger for years as they are both serial > > connections. > > I talked about the blue-grey that came after those, > big ball, steel rollers, USB connection, > I guess that wold have been nice. I did like my original steel ball race serial ones even if they seem to have dried out or worn - it's now 12 years. (OK both of them wound up with dry joints at the cable entrance socket but they were easily soldered). I would have liked a USB version. I did try one of the cheap ones with the big transparent ball - OK but I kept losing the ball. The one I have now is a decent compromise and I like the ring for scrolling. I've no experience of the latest "flat" one. -- duncank
From: J. J. Lodder on 11 Aug 2010 17:16 Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > Richard Kettlewell <rjk(a)greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) writes: > > > > > > > > > > > For me nothing beats the old model Kensington trackballs > > > > > > with the BIG ball and big steel rollers. > > > > > > Later Kensingtons are inferior to that, > > > > > > with tiny ball bearings that tend to clog up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are no longer made, > > > > > > and tend to fail in the long run. > > > > > > > > > > I'm a fan of these: > > > > > > > > > > http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html > > > > > > > > > > Still don't understand why they're called a 'mouse' though. > > > > > > > > Yes, that's the newer model. > > > > I prefer the older one with the six rapid fire buttons. > > > > (even though I rarely use them) > > > > > > > I'm using one of these right now on my Mac Mini - not bad at all and the > > > ring round the big ball has some advantages over a standard wheel. > > > > > > My older ones -4 and 2 buttons with ball bearings fell a bit "grinding" > > > now but the haven't been used in anger for years as they are both serial > > > connections. > > > > I talked about the blue-grey that came after those, > > big ball, steel rollers, USB connection, > > > I guess that wold have been nice. I did like my original steel ball > race serial ones even if they seem to have dried out or worn - it's now > 12 years. (OK both of them wound up with dry joints at the cable > entrance socket but they were easily soldered). I would have liked a USB > version. They look like this one <http://www.shoplet.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Wireless-Pro-Trackball/K MW64245/spdv> There were USB versions and (non-bluetooth) wireless ones. Jan
From: Duncan Kennedy on 12 Aug 2010 05:55 J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > > > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Richard Kettlewell <rjk(a)greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me nothing beats the old model Kensington trackballs > > > > > > > with the BIG ball and big steel rollers. > > > > > > > Later Kensingtons are inferior to that, > > > > > > > with tiny ball bearings that tend to clog up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are no longer made, > > > > > > > and tend to fail in the long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a fan of these: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Still don't understand why they're called a 'mouse' though. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's the newer model. > > > > > I prefer the older one with the six rapid fire buttons. > > > > > (even though I rarely use them) > > > > > > > > > I'm using one of these right now on my Mac Mini - not bad at all and the > > > > ring round the big ball has some advantages over a standard wheel. > > > > > > > > My older ones -4 and 2 buttons with ball bearings fell a bit "grinding" > > > > now but the haven't been used in anger for years as they are both serial > > > > connections. > > > > > > I talked about the blue-grey that came after those, > > > big ball, steel rollers, USB connection, > > > > > I guess that wold have been nice. I did like my original steel ball > > race serial ones even if they seem to have dried out or worn - it's now > > 12 years. (OK both of them wound up with dry joints at the cable > > entrance socket but they were easily soldered). I would have liked a USB > > version. > > They look like this one > <http://www.shoplet.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Wireless-Pro-Trackball/K > MW64245/spdv> > > There were USB versions and (non-bluetooth) wireless ones. > My originals were much older than that one looks - standard buff computer colour of the day, the first with just 2 big buttons either side of top half of the big ball, the "newer" with 4 buttons very like the current one - two up and two down around the ball. The balls were solid, heavy and big and the same colour as the rest. They ran on 3 steel cased ball races- not just tiny single balls. My new one is quite similar in appearance to the 4 button one but has a ring round the ball as a scroll wheel and the ball is marked for laser - the old ones were well before laser mice. In fact my old ones were well before USB, wireless and bluetooth arrived - used with Win95 pre USB version and an old Mac. The cheap one has a big ball similar to the one in your link but is a completely different construction - OK at the price but not the same feel as the 80 quid one. -- duncank
From: J. J. Lodder on 12 Aug 2010 07:16 Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Kettlewell <rjk(a)greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me nothing beats the old model Kensington trackballs > > > > > > > > with the BIG ball and big steel rollers. > > > > > > > > Later Kensingtons are inferior to that, > > > > > > > > with tiny ball bearings that tend to clog up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are no longer made, > > > > > > > > and tend to fail in the long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a fan of these: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still don't understand why they're called a 'mouse' though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's the newer model. > > > > > > I prefer the older one with the six rapid fire buttons. > > > > > > (even though I rarely use them) > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using one of these right now on my Mac Mini - not bad at all > > > > > and the ring round the big ball has some advantages over a > > > > > standard wheel. > > > > > > > > > > My older ones -4 and 2 buttons with ball bearings fell a bit > > > > > "grinding" now but the haven't been used in anger for years as > > > > > they are both serial connections. > > > > > > > > I talked about the blue-grey that came after those, > > > > big ball, steel rollers, USB connection, > > > > > > > I guess that wold have been nice. I did like my original steel ball > > > race serial ones even if they seem to have dried out or worn - it's > > > now 12 years. (OK both of them wound up with dry joints at the cable > > > entrance socket but they were easily soldered). I would have liked a > > > USB version. > > > > They look like this one > > <http://www.shoplet.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Wireless-Pro-Trackball/K > > MW64245/spdv> > > > > There were USB versions and (non-bluetooth) wireless ones. > > > My originals were much older than that one looks - standard buff > computer colour of the day, the first with just 2 big buttons either > side of top half of the big ball, the "newer" with 4 buttons very like > the current one - two up and two down around the ball. The balls were > solid, heavy and big and the same colour as the rest. They ran on 3 > steel cased ball races- not just tiny single balls. Ah, we are into one-upmanship. My first (beige of course) big Kensington trackbal (two button) had a MacPlus mouse connector. > My new one is quite similar in appearance to the 4 button one but has a > ring round the ball as a scroll wheel and the ball is marked for laser - > the old ones were well before laser mice. > > In fact my old ones were well before USB, wireless and bluetooth arrived > - used with Win95 pre USB version and an old Mac. > > The cheap one has a big ball similar to the one in your link but is a > completely different construction - OK at the price but not the same > feel as the 80 quid one. That's a smaller ball, and they are a clog-up disaster. Jan
From: Duncan Kennedy on 12 Aug 2010 11:57
J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > > > > My originals were much older than that one looks - standard buff > > computer colour of the day, the first with just 2 big buttons either > > side of top half of the big ball, the "newer" with 4 buttons very like > > the current one - two up and two down around the ball. The balls were > > solid, heavy and big and the same colour as the rest. They ran on 3 > > steel cased ball races- not just tiny single balls. > > Ah, we are into one-upmanship. > My first (beige of course) big Kensington trackbal > (two button) had a MacPlus mouse connector. > Ah - my Mac in those days was used only as a test machine for some products so it wasn't used much. Actually still in the garage. But it does sound like the same as my 2 button for Windoes Serial. > > > > The cheap one has a big ball similar to the one in your link but is a > > completely different construction - OK at the price but not the same > > feel as the 80 quid one. > > That's a smaller ball, and they are a clog-up disaster. I don't think I could keep the ball in my cherap one long enough for it to clog the works - I work on the Vesuvius theory of clutter and I kept knocking the thing off the desk. -- duncank |