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From: HeyBub on 7 Jan 2010 08:30
Pete Dashwood wrote:
> I came across this while researching some stuff for a short story...
>
> It is a comforting thought that despite all this high technology, we
> are still unable to impose our will on resistant populations.
>
> Changing minds by coercion doesn't work and never has.
>
> A better idea trumps a laser cannon every time.
>

Some great worthy once said: "The penis is mighter than the sword," by which
he meant that they can breed faster than you can kill them.

On the other hand, a conflict is seldom resolved unless one side is
militarily vanquished by the other. Consider North Korea, Palestine,
Armenia, Turkey/Cyprus, India/Pakistan, etc., compared to Germany or Japan.

The only example I can think of where one side was militarily beaten yet
never gave up is the Confederacy in our Second War of Independence (or, as
some say, "The Recent Unplesantness").


From: Anonymous on 7 Jan 2010 09:08
In article <_8KdnZlcpJ1pfNjWnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>,
HeyBub <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>Pete Dashwood wrote:

[snip]

>> A better idea trumps a laser cannon every time.
>>
>
>Some great worthy once said: "The penis is mighter than the sword," by which
>he meant that they can breed faster than you can kill them.

[snip]

>The only example I can think of where one side was militarily beaten yet
>never gave up is the Confederacy in our Second War of Independence (or, as
>some say, "The Recent Unplesantness").

An American might see this as more 'is not, Is Not, IS NOT' yabbering.
From
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.cobol/msg/9008f2de86bfddc7?hl=en&dmode=source>

--begin quoted text:

Mr McClendon, several people have disagreed with this assertion... one of
them was Alexander H. Stephens, who addressed this very matter in a speech
he gave on 21 March 1861 in Savannah, Georgia, USA.

From http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76

--begin quoted text:

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better,
allow me to allude to one other - though last, not least. The new
constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions
relating to our peculiar institution - African slavery as it exists
amongst us - the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization.
This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

[snip]

So asserted Mr Stephens... who was the Vice President of the Confederate
States of America. What would *he* know about the reasoning behind the
Civil War, anyhow?

--end quoted text

--end quoted text

DD

From: Howard Brazee on 7 Jan 2010 10:53
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:30:27 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>The only example I can think of where one side was militarily beaten yet
>never gave up is the Confederacy in our Second War of Independence (or, as
>some say, "The Recent Unplesantness").

Except those states are now firmly part of the United States, with the
people serving in the armed forces, and conservative patriotic values
common. That "one side" has been replaced a person at a time until
we had new generations that looked look very different.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: tleaders...gmail.com on 7 Jan 2010 15:18
On Jan 7, 8:30 am, "HeyBub" <hey...(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>
> The only example I can think of where one side was militarily beaten yet
> never gave up is the Confederacy in our Second War of Independence (or, as
> some say, "The Recent Unplesantness").

You mean the War of Northern Aggression?


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