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From: Sam Wormley on 13 Mar 2010 15:49
On 3/13/10 11:35 AM, john wrote:

> Have none of these people ever played with
> elastic-band powered airplanes?
> You twist and twist the propellor and at
> some point, the elastic band does a
> little flip and there's a knot.

Try dipping in liquid nitrogen first, John.

>
> It's a 3D universe. Rotations
> want to balance with orthogonal rotations
> and so generate them.
>
> john

From: Mike Jr on 13 Mar 2010 20:38
On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 7:00 pm, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 12:12 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 12, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > NASA Science News for March 12, 2010
>
> > > > A massive "current of fire" on the sun has started running at high
> > > > speed, surprising researchers and challenging some models of the solar
> > > > cycle.
>
> > > Determining the interior of the Sun,like that of the Earth is a
> > > speculative endeavor  hence such an assertive pseudo-authoritative
> > > 'surprise' does nothing,at least not today.Unlike others here,I was
> > > working with two large external rings surrounding a star with a
> > > smaller intersecting ring back in 1990 or 4 years before they were
> > > observationally discovered -
>
> > >http://chem.tufts.edu/science/astronomy/images/sn1987a.jpg
>
> > > While it is the only copyright I ever took out  and really means
> > > nothing other than I was working on the stellar geometry in terms of
> > > natural efficiencies in 1990,it is now a private work ,something I
> > > take a pride in working on when nobody else was and perhaps never will
> > > even though it has been observed.
>
> > > All rotating celestial bodies with viscous compositions display
> > > latitudinal differential rotation or what amounts to the same thing -
> > > an uneven rotational gradient between the maximum equatorial speed
> > > down to polar latitudes as opposed to something like the Earth's
> > > fractured crust which has an even rotational gradient with a maximum
> > > equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour.There is no reason to
> > > believe that the Earth's viscous interior is exempt from differential
> > > rotation,after all,it displays the expected spherical deviation of 40
> > > km due to that uneven rotational gradient,stars of the same mass but
> > > with different maximum rotational speeds display variations in
> > > spherical deviation,the faster it spins the greater the spherical
> > > deviation due to more differential rotation shear bands on a faster
> > > spinning star .
>
> > > In short,in order to investigate the consequences of differential
> > > rotation,on a star or on the fractured surface crust of the
> > > Earth,speculative notions of 'convection cells' as described in that
> > > article have to be set aside, but with the global geographical feature
> > > of the Mid Atlantic ridge requiring a global mechanism,the only
> > > suitable candidate is the lag/advance mechanism inherent in
> > > differential rotational shear bands and its tendency to generate
> > > symmetrical crust either side of the Mid Atlantic ridge with special
> > > note of the 'S' shape,the fracture zones running parallel with the
> > > Earth rotational characteristics and other great clues linking
> > > planetary dynamics to evolutionary geology.
>
> > > > FULL STORY at
>
> > > >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/12mar_conveyorbelt.htm?list13...
>
> > > > Also see:
> > > >    http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/latest_events/
> > > >    http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest.html
>
> > Why set aside  'convection cells' in the earth?  Can't differential
> > rotation and convection cells be happening in the earth's interior at
> > the same time?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_plume
>
> > --Mike Jr.
>
*> If you ever find a study which links the Earth's spherical
deviation
*> with the motion and evolution of the surface crust,particularly
using
*> differential rotation as the bridge between the uneven rotational
*> gradient of the viscous interior with the even rotational gradient
of
*> the fractured surface crust then let me know.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0709.1303

"Global coupling at 660 km is proposed to explain plate tectonics and
the
generation of the earth’s magnetic field

Jozsef Garai
Department of Earth Sciences, Florida International University, Miami,
FL 33199, USA
E mail: jozsef.garai(a)fiu.edu

The presence of low viscosity layers in the mantle is supported by
line of geological and geophysical
observations. Recent high pressure and temperature investigations
indicated that partial carbonate melt
should exist at the bottom of the lithosphere and at 660 km. The
presence of few percent carbonate melt
reduces the viscosity by several order of magnitude. The globally
existing 660 km very low viscosity layer
allows the development of differential rotation between the upper and
lower mantle. This differential
rotation between the 660 km outer shell and the rest of the earth
offers a plausible explanation for plate
tectonics and for the generation of the earth’s magnetic field. Simple
dynamo model is proposed, which
able to reproduce all of the features of the contemporary and, within
reasonable uncertainty, the
paleomagnetic field. The model is also consistent with geological and
geophysical observations."

--Mike Jr.
From: oriel36 on 13 Mar 2010 22:47
On Mar 14, 2:38 am, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 7:00 pm, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 12:12 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 12, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > NASA Science News for March 12, 2010
>
> > > > > A massive "current of fire" on the sun has started running at high
> > > > > speed, surprising researchers and challenging some models of the solar
> > > > > cycle.
>
> > > > Determining the interior of the Sun,like that of the Earth is a
> > > > speculative endeavor  hence such an assertive pseudo-authoritative
> > > > 'surprise' does nothing,at least not today.Unlike others here,I was
> > > > working with two large external rings surrounding a star with a
> > > > smaller intersecting ring back in 1990 or 4 years before they were
> > > > observationally discovered -
>
> > > >http://chem.tufts.edu/science/astronomy/images/sn1987a.jpg
>
> > > > While it is the only copyright I ever took out  and really means
> > > > nothing other than I was working on the stellar geometry in terms of
> > > > natural efficiencies in 1990,it is now a private work ,something I
> > > > take a pride in working on when nobody else was and perhaps never will
> > > > even though it has been observed.
>
> > > > All rotating celestial bodies with viscous compositions display
> > > > latitudinal differential rotation or what amounts to the same thing -
> > > > an uneven rotational gradient between the maximum equatorial speed
> > > > down to polar latitudes as opposed to something like the Earth's
> > > > fractured crust which has an even rotational gradient with a maximum
> > > > equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour.There is no reason to
> > > > believe that the Earth's viscous interior is exempt from differential
> > > > rotation,after all,it displays the expected spherical deviation of 40
> > > > km due to that uneven rotational gradient,stars of the same mass but
> > > > with different maximum rotational speeds display variations in
> > > > spherical deviation,the faster it spins the greater the spherical
> > > > deviation due to more differential rotation shear bands on a faster
> > > > spinning star .
>
> > > > In short,in order to investigate the consequences of differential
> > > > rotation,on a star or on the fractured surface crust of the
> > > > Earth,speculative notions of 'convection cells' as described in that
> > > > article have to be set aside, but with the global geographical feature
> > > > of the Mid Atlantic ridge requiring a global mechanism,the only
> > > > suitable candidate is the lag/advance mechanism inherent in
> > > > differential rotational shear bands and its tendency to generate
> > > > symmetrical crust either side of the Mid Atlantic ridge with special
> > > > note of the 'S' shape,the fracture zones running parallel with the
> > > > Earth rotational characteristics and other great clues linking
> > > > planetary dynamics to evolutionary geology.
>
> > > > > FULL STORY at
>
> > > > >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/12mar_conveyorbelt.htm?list13...
>
> > > > > Also see:
> > > > >    http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/latest_events/
> > > > >    http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest.html
>
> > > Why set aside  'convection cells' in the earth?  Can't differential
> > > rotation and convection cells be happening in the earth's interior at
> > > the same time?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_plume
>
> > > --Mike Jr.
>
> *> If you ever find a study which links the Earth's spherical
> deviation
> *> with the motion and evolution of the surface crust,particularly
> using
> *> differential rotation as the bridge between the uneven rotational
> *> gradient of the viscous interior with the even rotational gradient
> of
> *> the fractured surface crust then let me know.
>
> http://arxiv.org/pdf/0709.1303
>
> "Global coupling at 660 km is proposed to explain plate tectonics and
> the
> generation of the earth’s magnetic field
>
> Jozsef Garai
> Department of Earth Sciences, Florida International University, Miami,
> FL 33199, USA
> E mail: jozsef.ga...(a)fiu.edu
>
> The presence of low viscosity layers in the mantle is supported by
> line of geological and geophysical
> observations. Recent high pressure and temperature investigations
> indicated that partial carbonate melt
> should exist at the bottom of the lithosphere and at 660 km. The
> presence of few percent carbonate melt
> reduces the viscosity by several order of magnitude. The globally
> existing 660 km very low viscosity layer
> allows the development of differential rotation between the upper and
> lower mantle. This differential
> rotation between the 660 km outer shell and the rest of the earth
> offers a plausible explanation for plate
> tectonics and for the generation of the earth’s magnetic field. Simple
> dynamo model is proposed, which
> able to reproduce all of the features of the contemporary and, within
> reasonable uncertainty, the
> paleomagnetic field. The model is also consistent with geological and
> geophysical observations."
>
> --Mike Jr.


Nice try but unsatisfactory insofar as the link between the planet's
40 km spherical deviation and crustal motion/evolution share a common
mechanism - differential rotation in the viscous material directly in
contact with the crust just as all rotating viscous compositions are
observed to display differential rotation as a general rule and the
Earth is no exception..It may be that men are so accustomed to think
of the interior in terms of viscosity organised around 'convection
cells' that they simply cannot turn their attention to the role of
planetary rotational dynamics on the surface crust and a viscosity
suited to explaining planetary features such as spherical deviation
and the global feature of the Mid Atlantic Ridge .

The uneven rotational gradient from equator to poles,as per
differential rotation,satisfies both features on all accounts so I
disregard 'convection cells' as a stationary Earth mechanism with no
link to rotation or planetary shape and if the symmetrical generation
of crust off the Mid Atlantic Ridge and especially its rotational
orientation is not big enough of a clue as to the internal rotational
mechanism then I would not know what is.

http://www.oceans.logo4you.co.uk/graphics/atlantic_map.jpg

Of course,a rotational gradient,between equator and pole,be it the
uneven rotational gradient of the interior as opposed to the even
gradient of the surface crust depends on knowing what the maximum
equatorial speed is and unfortunately this is the reason why
rotational dynamics is absent from geological evolution as people
absolutely detest the actual value where the Earth rotates 15 degrees/
1037.5 miles per hour at the equator and a full rotation of the
equatorial circumference in 24 hours hence the dithering around with a
stationary Earth mechanism of convection cells.

I have never known so many people to absolutely hate astronomy and
especially the astronomy of planetary dynamics and terrestrial
effects ,it shows in the dullness and inability to link rotational
dynamics with crustal geodynamics even when astronomical observations
determine general rules for rotating celestial objects with exposed
compositions in a viscous state and I certainly do not want to hear
stationary Earth arguments for 'convection cells' and the viscosity
organised around that notion,not that I disagree but like a flat or
stationary Earth conception,it is meaningless to me regardless of how
much you may put stake in that mechanism.









From: Mike Jr on 14 Mar 2010 06:21
On Mar 13, 11:47 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2:38 am, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
[snip]

Um, did you read the paper? It offers proof that convection cannot be
responsible for continental drift and therefore rotation is the only
other option with enough force to do the deed. Read "Geological
evidences supporting low viscosity".

I was agreeing with you. :-)

--Mike Jr.
From: oriel36 on 14 Mar 2010 09:01
On Mar 14, 11:21 am, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 11:47 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 14, 2:38 am, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Um, did you read the paper?  It offers proof that convection cannot be
> responsible for continental drift and therefore rotation is the only
> other option with enough force to do the deed.  Read "Geological
> evidences supporting low viscosity".
>
> I was agreeing with you.  :-)
>
> --Mike Jr.

They treat differential rotation between 'cores' which is something
entirely different and emerged after I was working on the conception
of differential rotation in the Earth's interior or as Sam would put
it 'streams of liquid fire' rotating in an uneven rotational gradient
between equator and poles.The main point is not differential rotation
itself insofar as that exists as a general rule in rotating celestial
bodies that are not solid therefore the main point is planetary
spherical deviation linked with plate tectonics using a common
mechanism based on the dynamics of rotation and fluid dynamics.


Modern imaging allows things like planetary comparisons to extract
details which aid interpretation rather than just blind speculation
that gives rise to the abysmal stationary Earth 'convection cells' for
crustal evolution/motion so that Venus has no equatorial bulge due to
its rotational characteristics or that stars of the same size but
different equatorial speeds display variations in spherical deviation
and the number of differential rotation bands but this is just moving
information around for the purpose of interpreting the Earth's
geological dimensions and features in a more productive way.

You were not agreeing with me although I respect now why you believe
'convection cells' and differential rotation fit into the same picture
however,that interpretation is based on a speculative structure and
viscosity for the Earth's interior whereas I take it no further than
the rotating fluid in contact with the surface crust and the
conception that an uneven rotational gradient generates a spherical
deviation organised around the Earth rotational characteristics
thereby linking planetary shape with geological evolution through
planetary dynamics.To be clear,I was working on differential rotation
in the Earth's interior before they proposed the misinterpretation of
it but the merit system and the institutions being what they are,the
correct interpretation based on astronomical observations is ignored
while the speculative misinterpretation of differential rotation
between 'cores' becomes dominant.

I really believe that it is time to use modern imaging effectively and
apply it to terrestrial sciences by modifying or adapting ideas which
would not have been possible 50 years ago and for whatever
reasons,despite the usual hostility and the few nuisances,people
genuinely realize that there is something better than 'convection
cells' going on and the possibilities of the planet's rotation
affecting the Earth's shape along with crustal motion which manifests
itself as Earthquakes and eruptions.There may be a slight difficulty
with the lag/advance mechanism for crustal evolution which explains
the Mid Atlantic Ridge but nothing too difficult.

I suspect that investigators will eventually pick up rotational
dynamics of the interior as the mechanism for crustal geodynamics but
it is always nice to work on these things when they are fresh,
exciting and are not burdened by doctrine.







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