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From: Adornley on 18 Jul 2010 12:20 > On 07/18/2010 01:18 PM, Aragorn wrote: > Well, let me give you some more advice then, my friend... First of all, > start by not using Google Groups anymore to post to Usenet. Although > Google tries very hard to obscure this, Usenet is *not* a part of > Google and never has been. Google only *archives* Usenet posts and > offers a (very poor) web-based interface for posting to Usenet. [hmm.. asking under the title of "very new" to linux] have been wondering - how can you tell whether one has posted using Google Groups rather than Usenet? or vice versa? sorry if it's a trivial one.. thanks :) A. On 07/18/2010 01:18 PM, Aragorn wrote: > On Sunday 18 July 2010 10:21 in comp.os.linux.setup, somebody > identifying as tino wrote... > >> On Jul 17, 2:00 pm, Aragorn<arag...(a)chatfactory.invalid> wrote: >> >>> [a whole lot of stuff about partitions and directories] >> >> @Aragorn: >> >> Thank you for taking the time to reply with such a detailed >> explanation. > > Oh, my pleasure. ;-) I like explaining things into detail. :-) > >> I read your answer a few times and still feel each time I reread you >> answer, there's additional information I pick up from your lines. >> Indeed, there's a lot to learn and understand :) > > Well, it all begins with the understanding where GNU/Linux comes from. > Even though it doesn't use a single line of pre-existing code from any > of the proprietary UNIX systems, it *is* a UNIX-family operating > system, and the original AT&T Unix was developed on a mini-computer, > which is a multiuser hardware architecture. And thus, UNIX-family > operating systems are multiuser systems. > > Some say that the learning curve to GNU/Linux is pretty steep, but the > truth is that it's only this steep for people who have been conditioned > to expect the behavior of Microsoft Windows, and given that Windows > does not present a computer to the user for what it really is - Windows > is essentially still a single-user operating system with bolted-on > security features - and that it is essentially only a successor to > MS-DOS, people who have been using Windows for a long time without any > knowledge or understanding of other operating systems or operating > system technology - and Windows shields the user from obtaining that > knowledge via the use of Windows itself - will suddenly feel like > they're being overwhelmed by the technical aspects of GNU/Linux. > > Just give it some time, and you'll grow to love it soon enough. ;-) > >> I am completely new here yet did notice a few of your other answers >> here which I learned from as well, even if not always with full >> understanding - appreciate it a lot. > > Well, let me give you some more advice then, my friend... First of all, > start by not using Google Groups anymore to post to Usenet. Although > Google tries very hard to obscure this, Usenet is *not* a part of > Google and never has been. Google only *archives* Usenet posts and > offers a (very poor) web-based interface for posting to Usenet. > > What you need to do, first and foremost, is use a real newsreader and a > real news service. Several ISPs offer a newsserver to their customers, > but more and more are beginning to drop that service because of the > fact that Usenet is becoming less popular and that it is also being > abused for the distribution of copyrighted binary material. Yet, there > are many free newsservers available for posting to text-only groups. > > Personally I recommend Eternal September. They do have their occasional > glitches, but in overall they're excellent. Just point your favorite > browser here... > > http://www.eternal-september.org > > ... and register for an account. It's free of charge. They will send > you an e-mail with the login and password to use, and then all you have > to do is use a real newsreader. On GNU/Linux, you can use both GUI > variants - e.g. KNode, Pan - and non-GUI variants - e.g. slrn. There's > also Mozilla Thunderbird, which is an e-mail client but which doubles > as a newsreader. (MS-Outlook Express also does that, from what I've > seen in the headers of some posts - I think it's called Windows Mail > now, but I'm not sure; I don't do Windows. ;-)) > > Then, my advice to you would be that when you see an interesting thread, > mark the thread as one "to be watched" - i.e. you assign a higher score > to it in your newsreader - and follow the discussions, and then copy > the interesting posts in the thread to a dedicated folder in your > newsreader - note: I'm talking of a newsreader folder, not a directory > on your hard disk. ;-) > > Sometimes it's good to monitor a thread for a while and not save the > posts right away, because someone might be wrong and another person is > then bound to correct him on that. It's the correct information that > you want to save, not the false claims, of course. ;-) > > Apart from the functionality, there are also other reasons as to why you > would want to use a real newsreader instead of Google Groups. For > starters, many regular posters filter out posts sent via Google Groups > because of the general cluelessness exhibited by many Google Groups > posters, who are apparently too lazy to look for information on the web > using Google as a search engine. Trolls and spammers also frequently > make use of Google Groups, so filtering out Google Groups tends to keep > the noise-to-signal ratio a little lower. > > And thus, as a consequence, if you're posting via Google Groups, > considering that many regulars filter that out, you decrease your > chances of getting useful replies from knowledgeable posters. I am > giving you good advice, my friend: ditch Google Groups and get a real > newsreader and newsserver! ;-) > > You may also want to bookmark the following link, albeit that I have to > admit that most of the information here is not exactly up-to-date...: > > http://www.tldp.org > > And then there's also this one... > > http://www.linuxnewbieguide.org > > There are loads more websites like these, some better than others. > > Just remember: give the penguin some affection and you'll have a pet for > life. :-) >
From: Adornley on 19 Jul 2010 10:12 On 07/18/2010 08:04 PM, Aragorn wrote: > With a real newsreader, you will be able to see all the headers of each > post, when available. People who post from Google Groups have > their "User Agent" listed as "G2". > > P.S.: You may also want to read up on this one...: > > http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote > Hello again :) Hesitated before replying.. went through the link, and am very thankful for it, just wanted to make sure I was following the "rules".. wasn't aware of the fact there are these good conventions to follow though now that I think about it - it was stupid to think otherwise.. Anyway, at no point (my last post here was my first ever on Usenet ;) ) I meant to offend anybody :).. even now I'm not sure I did this right.. hopefully I did and if not - my apologies + any corrections will be very appreciated.. will study how this should be done while reading and following threads. (one thing I'm not sure about, though, is I actually write here after your quote (though originally there was more afterwards, which I trimmed) - is this ok?) also - I wanted to begin my message with this yet it replies to the link you suggested and only in the next paragraph I re-ask about the beginning of your quoted text, but did not want to break your order of writing things down.. I'm not sure it's a "polite" or acceptable thing to do or a no-no.. also, I strayed from the original thread's subject, which seems unfair as well - so I apologise and will definitely not repeat such a bad habit again.. Anyway, wanted to ask also about what you meant by 'a real newsreader'.. I started reading newsgroups by using Thunderbird and couldn't find the 'G2' text when reading posts of Google Groups.. so was wondering.. but I guess I'll find the answer sooner or later as I spend some more time here :) Thanks! :) -- Adornley
From: Adornley on 20 Jul 2010 07:30
On 07/19/2010 07:58 PM, Aragorn wrote: > On Monday 19 July 2010 16:12 in comp.os.linux.setup, somebody > identifying as Adornley wrote... > [...] >> Anyway, at no point (my last post here was my first ever >> on Usenet ;) ) I meant to offend anybody :).. even now I'm not sure I >> did this right.. hopefully I did and if not - my apologies + any >> corrections will be very appreciated.. will study how this should be >> done while reading and following threads. > > I did not mean to imply that you were doing something wrong. If I came > across as having made such an innuendo, then I apologize. I was merely > trying to give you somewhat of a heads-up, since you appear to be new > here. Something in the spirit of showing you the caveats before you > trip over them. ;-) > ;) I did not have the feeling reading your answers I was offending anybody, on the contrary.. really appreciate correcting me at my first post here and being patient rather than angry, plus supplying me with valuable information I can learn from as well.. this is why it was even more important to me to show my appreciation also by quoting correctly, and thus apologised when discovered I wasn't being accurate in my replies.. :) > >> I'm not sure it's a "polite" or acceptable thing to do or a no-no.. >> also, I strayed from the original thread's subject, which seems unfair >> as well - so I apologise and will definitely not repeat such a bad >> habit again.. > > Most threads will stray from the original subject after two or three > levels down. :p > :) makes me feel better.. still I get the impression users who look for answers in the newsgroups and find a thread regarding one subject would rather find posts related to it inside.. or otherwise - they may not find what they're looking for because the information is under a different thread's subject (or, it may be less convenient this way..) - so I'll try not to do this often > > Any newsreader program, e.g. KNode, Thunderbird, Pan, slrn, et al. > >> I started reading newsgroups by using Thunderbird and couldn't find >> the 'G2' text when reading posts of Google Groups.. so was wondering.. >> but I guess I'll find the answer sooner or later as I spend some more >> time here :) > > Those are headers. They do not appear in the message body, but they > should be visible in a separate part of the message. It is possible > that you may have to select "View all headers" or something of that > sort in the menu. I've never used Thunderbird myself, so I don't > really know. > Feeling silly it took me a while to find it.. I found the headers when viewing a message's source (in the right-click menu), but more convenient was to choose from Thunderbird's menu: View -> Headers -> All (rather than the default 'Normal' option), so they're available whenever I view a message.. > > Hope this helps. ;-) > A lot :) and very much appreciated.. -- Adornley |