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From: cjcountess on 30 Dec 2009 11:11 1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons 2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter 3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron of -1 charge, and that electron was also a wave. 4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi 5) Therefore it follows from this and other evidence, that (E=mc^2) = (E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1) If we draw progressively shorter waves, with progressively higher energy, we will evidentially arrive at a wave whose 90 degree angular energy/momentum equals its linear energy/momentum, which create a balance of centripetal and centrifugal forces, and 90 degree arc, which if constant creates a circle in 2d, or a spherical wave in 3d. This 3d wave makes two rotations in order to complete one wave cycle, (spin1/2) and also spins backward counter to it trajectory in half the cases which is how electron gets its -1 charge. In the other half of cases a forward spinning positron emerged. A smooth transition from photon to electron, energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which might from now on be called the (energy/ matter), spectrum as well as (electromagnetic), is geometrically demonstrated. Photons do have constant mass/energy = to h, that come from kinetic energy of constant speed of c. Mass / energy increases with frequency increase at (E=hf/c^2) until it reaches (E=hf=c^2) or (E=hf=mc^2) as deBroglie stated, at which it attains rest mass. Rest mass is just relative mass in circular and or spherical rotation, such as a standing spherical waves, (electron). Therefore (E=hf /c2), the equation for quantum energy/ mass = (F=mm/ r2), Newtons equation for gravity, minus the big G, sense h is its own constant, and (F=mv2), the equation of force or energy of mass in motion = (E=mc2), the equation for energy/mass equivalence, on the quantum level and (a=v2/r) = (a=c2/c). And so the same force that compresses energy into rest mass particles at (E=hf/c2) = (E=mc2) pushes rest mass particles together at (F=mv/r2) = (F=Gmm/r2). They are equivalent at quantum level and directly proportional at macro level. See:http://docs.google.com/View?docID=0ATiDkGLEqaE- ZHNuNXE2Zl8xMDFoZ3RqdjlmYg&revision=_latest Conrad J Countess
From: Y.Porat on 30 Dec 2009 13:09 On Dec 30, 6:11 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > 1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons > 2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter > 3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron of -1 charge, > and that electron was also a wave. > 4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to > circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of > h/2pi > 5) Therefore it follows from this and other evidence, that (E=mc^2) = > (E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1) > If we draw progressively shorter waves, with progressively higher > energy, we will evidentially arrive at a wave whose 90 degree angular > energy/momentum equals its linear energy/momentum, which create a > balance of centripetal and centrifugal forces, and 90 degree arc, > which if constant creates a circle in 2d, or a spherical wave in 3d. > This 3d wave makes two rotations in order to complete one wave cycle, > (spin1/2) and also spins backward counter to it trajectory in half the > cases which is how electron gets its -1 charge. In the other half of > cases a forward spinning positron emerged. > > A smooth transition from photon to electron, energy to matter, along > the same EM spectrum, which might from now on be called the (energy/ > matter), spectrum as well as (electromagnetic), is geometrically > demonstrated. > > Photons do have constant mass/energy = to h, that come from kinetic > energy of constant speed of c. > Mass / energy increases with frequency increase at (E=hf/c^2) until it > reaches (E=hf=c^2) or (E=hf=mc^2) as deBroglie stated, at which it > attains rest mass. > > Rest mass is just relative mass in circular and or spherical rotation, > such as a standing spherical waves, (electron). > > Therefore (E=hf /c2), the equation for quantum energy/ mass = (F=mm/ > r2), Newtons equation for gravity, minus the big G, sense h is its own > constant, and (F=mv2), the equation of force or energy of mass in > motion = (E=mc2), the equation for energy/mass equivalence, on the > quantum level and (a=v2/r) = (a=c2/c). And so the same force that > compresses energy into rest mass particles at (E=hf/c2) = (E=mc2) > pushes rest mass particles together at (F=mv/r2) = (F=Gmm/r2). They > are equivalent at quantum level and directly proportional at macro > level. > > See:http://docs.google.com/View?docID=0ATiDkGLEqaE- > ZHNuNXE2Zl8xMDFoZ3RqdjlmYg&revision=_latest > > Conrad J Countess -------------------- if you agree with me that NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !! i am with you !!! ATB Y.Porat -----------------------------
From: cjcountess on 30 Dec 2009 14:30 I do agree The idea that a photon has no mass does not make sense. h determines its constant mass, and f its variable mass, in equation E=hf/c^2 And although it may not be rest mass, it is still mass, from kinetic energy of motion. And as you know by now, I think that I have proven that even rest mass, is kinetic energy, relative mass, from energy at c in circular and or spherical motion. Wavelength = (cx2pi) and momentum (h/2pi). If it makes 2 rotations to complete 1 wave cycle its momentum is (h/2pi/2). Furthermore as I stated earlier, if it spins counter to its trajectory, it will have -1 charge. The geometrical model of (E=mc^2) explains how energy gets trapped inside of and turns to matter at the frequency wavelength of c^2, because the energy gets trapped in a closed loop rotation, (E=mc^2 = E=mc^circled), how -1 charge emerges from backward spin, and that (c = natural unit sqrt of natural unit -1), taking it out of the realm of the imaginary numbers and into the real world of natural units. And last but not least, it explains how (h/2pi/2) is measure of certainty of particles wavelength and momentum, not uncertainty, demystifying uncertainty principle also. See for more detail http://docs.google.com/View?docID=0ATiDkGLEqaE-ZHNuNXE2Zl8xMDFoZ3RqdjlmYg&revision=_latest Conrad J Countess
From: Inertial on 30 Dec 2009 18:57 "cjcountess" <cjcountess(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bdd1649a-aa33-4ac9-b17c-38428f2ede65(a)37g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... > 1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons > 2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter > 3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron of -1 charge, > and that electron was also a wave. > 4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to > circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of > h/2pi > 5) Therefore it follows from this and other evidence, that (E=mc^2) = > (E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1) You were going well up until you started with that last line of nonsense. If c=(square root of -1), then c is no longer a real number, and cannot be the speed of anything measured. Further, if c=(square root of -1), then c^2 = -2, so E = mc^2 becomes E = -m, and that is absolute nonsense.
From: Inertial on 30 Dec 2009 18:59
"cjcountess" <cjcountess(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e71000a9-1c31-41e4-9aa8-562c6ce4e96c(a)z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > I do agree > > The idea that a photon has no mass does not make sense. > h determines its constant mass, h is not a property of a photon > and f its variable mass, f is frequency .. not mass > in equation > E=hf/c^2 That is not the equation. > And although it may not be rest mass, Indeed .. as a photon has no rest mass > it is still mass, from kinetic > energy of motion. usually called 'realtivisitic' mass [snip post degenerating into nonsense] |