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From: Maddoctor on 19 Jul 2010 11:07

"Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFuture(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Today Apple "released" the iPhone 4.0... I believe it has something like a
> 1.0 GHz processor...
>
> I find that quite impressive, 1.0 GHz in such a small package and
> non-overheating ???
>
> Maybe to good to be true ?
>
> I wonder what the future will bring ?...
>
> Will we see the rise of "low power/low heat/low noise desktop computers"
> being powered by ARM-based processors ?
>
> Is this the end of Windows because it doesn't work on ARM processors ?
>
> Can intel atom processors compete with ARM processors ?
>
> What's AMD's answer to atom and arm ?
>
> Can an AMD/Intel single 1.0 to 2.0 GHz core be compared to ARM 1.0 to 2.0
> Ghz Core ? Would they both be about as fast... or would one win over the
> other ?
>
> To me 1.0 to 2.0 GHz seems to be the magical
> number/milestone/border/hurdle towards a good to great desktop experience.
>
> For 99.9% of my daily PC activity 1.0 to 2.0 GHz would be enough... this
> almost includes video processing at modest resolutions 640x480 or so...
> maybe 800x600, maybe even 1024x768... further enhancements/optimizations
> might enable very large resolutions too but don't count on it ;)
>
> For 1920x1200... 4.0 GHz is probably needed to run smooth and cool
> (strangely enough)... Or a really cool 2.0 GHz processor ;)
>
> Only gaming does need stronger graphics cards and stronger cpu's to do
> more...
>
> However software/technology does advance so maybe I could be wrong an
> maybe people will need more processing power... but I don't think so...
>
> Therefore assuming all people need more processing power is a bit
> dangerous...
>
> A good secondary strategy is to focus on low power/low heat/low
> noise/weaker processors to accomadate non-gaming related and
> non-high-performance tasks/crowd ;)
>
> I do want a low heat, low noise, low power computer, but I also want a
> strong, high performant computer which can do heavy tasks.
>
> I would love to have a computer which can be totally quite thanks to for
> example a ARM processor or maybe even an ATOM processor.
>
> I would also love it if the fans only go on when it's really needed like
> gaming or maybe huge video's.
>
> Thus I guess a system which can do both would be ideal for me.
>
> My current PC is already able to do this a little bit:
>
> AMD Dual Core Processor and NVIDIA 7900 GTX graphics card.
>
> But these two technologies do not take it far enough.
>
> The processor still needs a fan to spin.
>
> The graphics card still needs a fan to spin.
>
> The desktop still needs fans to be constantly on... <- This is the biggest
> problem probably.
>
> Therefore what is needed is:
>
> 1. A motherboard which can control the desktop fans and even shut them
> down.
>
> 2. Processors/Graphics cards which can do the same.
>
> 3. Special software which can regulate this or special hardware.
>
> 4. Debuggers to make sure no evil "shut fans down during heat" is in there
> to kill hardware ;)
>
> 5. Temperature meters everywhere for safety...
>
> 6. Emergency shutdown in case of emergency/accidental overheat.
>
> 7. Fan spin up failure detection.
>
> 8. Maybe even blocked air flow detection.
>
> 9. Maybe even unacceptable noise detection and throttling of hardware to
> reduce noise in return lower performance.
>
> 10. This would require microphones which might be too privacy-paranoya ;)
> So not a good idea.
>
> 11. Maybe even build in temperature displays in/on the desktop case to
> show constant temperature of hardware at different locations
> in the case to feel "safe" :)
>
> Ultimately HEAT is bad though... even for the high performance situation.
>
> HEAT is unpleasant for the human beings... it can become to hot in summer.
>
> Assuming HEAT can be expelled from CASE and not be a problem could be
> wrong thing to do.
>
> HEAT also leads to bigger fans on buildings which is bad too.
>
> However...
>
> In the winter HEAT can working as heating device... and the problem is
> less big... it can actually be nice.
>
> Therefore producing more HEAT in winter is more acceptable... unless
> melting the polar caps is a bad idea ! ;) :)
>
> And yup it could be bad... many countries facing floodings ! ;) :)
>
> So maybe ultimately HEAT = BAD = EVIL.
>
> Try to use materials and designs which give great processing power but no
> to little heat ;)
>
> New inventions are done all the time....
>
> Are intel/amd/ati/nvidia up to the task ?
>
> Or will ARM take the cookie and the cake ?! ;) :)
>
> (Just some random thoughts of me on the 1.0 GHz in a tiny package ;)
> :):):) There is even talk of 1.5 GHz in iphone 5.0 wow ! ;) :))
>
> Please feel free to comment within the lines and fill in the blanks,
> misconceptions, pipe-dreams, yes/no etc ;) :)
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck =D
>

I'm pretty sure AMD has allowed nVIDIA to integrate its GPU to AMD
processors especially family 10h core. The main cause was Dirk Meyer hates
Intel.



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From: nik Simpson on 19 Jul 2010 15:47
On 7/19/2010 10:07 AM, Maddoctor wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure AMD has allowed nVIDIA to integrate its GPU to AMD
> processors especially family 10h core. The main cause was Dirk Meyer hates
> Intel.
>

Pretty sure you are wrong there, AMD has it's own graphics business that
competes directly with NVidia, so making life easy for NVidia would come
under the "cutting of your nose to spite your face" category


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Nik Simpson
From: MitchAlsup on 22 Jul 2010 18:17
On Jul 19, 10:07 am, "Maddoctor" <suryas...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure AMD has allowed nVIDIA to integrate its GPU to AMD
> processors especially family 10h core. The main cause was Dirk Meyer hates
> Intel.

I do not believe that nVidia has integtrated with AMD chips, it is a
surprisingly difficult engineering effort withness the delay from ATI
acquisition to integrated chips.

The main cause 'for' buying ATI was that sooner or later the low end
processors were/are going to need a 'pretty' powerful graphics engine,
and these are not really candidates for either multi-core nor
daughtercard graphics which add too much cost (to the low end). This
decision was primarily Hector's and Dirk is just trying to make the
best of what landed on his plate.

Mitch
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