All good things must come to an end... [Windows XP]

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From: James Silverton on 1 Jun 2010 13:05

Bruce wrote on Mon, 31 May 2010 21:48:33 -0700:

> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to
>> an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>> ju.c
>>
>I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping
>block.

I read your post on news.eternal-september.org and I wonder what is the
MS schedule for trying to remove m.p. groups? M.p.excel.charting, .
...misc and m.p.outlookexpress.general on msnews.microsoft.com all have
posts dated 6/1/10

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

From: Greg Russell on 4 Jun 2010 03:15

"VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:hu9ole$814$1(a)news.albasani.net...
> DE wrote:

> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
servers.

Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.

From: John John - MVP on 4 Jun 2010 07:13

From: VanguardLH on 4 Jun 2010 10:15

Greg Russell wrote:

> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:
>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.

Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
redundant hosts still fail.

When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.

From: Paul on 4 Jun 2010 13:03

VanguardLH wrote:
> Greg Russell wrote:
>
>> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:hu9ole$814$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>>> DE wrote:
>>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
>> servers.
>>
>> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
>> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
>> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
>
> Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
> to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
> newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
> every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
> concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
> connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
> costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
> forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
> on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
> hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
> recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
> redundant hosts still fail.
>
> When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
> someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
> limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1814

"During September 2008, Giganews completed storage upgrades which increased
retention levels to 240 days," Giganews reports. "Shortly thereafter,
Giganews' upload traffic jumped to a sustained level averaging well over
400 megabits per second, representing more than 4.3 terabytes of new user
generated content and discussions per day. Giganews has seen steady upload
growth throughout the decade, but the pace following the recent storage
upgrade exceeded all expectations."

http://www.giganews.com/news/article/newsfeed-growth.html

If we stored 4.3 terabytes per day, for 240 days, that would be
roughly 1000 TB, or (500) 2TB hard drives worth of storage.

Now, if they eliminated binary groups, that would make a big big difference.
There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

Paul

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