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From: guskz on 30 May 2010 13:23
Hubble omitted the Relativistic Aberration of Light, this gives an
incorrect measurement of the *brightness* of a supernova.

Not from supernovas, but extreme aberration causes light from behind
an observer to appear in front, likewise all of space contracts (NOT
expands) to a single point. This can also falsify CMBR data.

The more distant supernovas have a DOUBLE effect, not only is their
recession velocity greater (#1), but the tinniest deviation of their
light beam projections has a larger impact on their observed
brightness(#2).

I haven't done it, I'd prefer to let someone else do the math, and
then give him credibility to both his present & future remarks.





From: Sam Wormley on 30 May 2010 13:46
On 5/30/10 12:23 PM, guskz(a)hotmail.com wrote:
> Relativistic Aberration of Light

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_aberration
From: G. L. Bradford on 30 May 2010 17:39

<guskz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2917c093-325b-4a38-82de-2671f04bf9ae(a)a27g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> Hubble omitted the Relativistic Aberration of Light, this gives an
> incorrect measurement of the *brightness* of a supernova.
>
> Not from supernovas, but extreme aberration causes light from behind
> an observer to appear in front, likewise all of space contracts (NOT
> expands) to a single point. This can also falsify CMBR data.
>
> The more distant supernovas have a DOUBLE effect, not only is their
> recession velocity greater (#1), but the tinniest deviation of their
> light beam projections has a larger impact on their observed
> brightness(#2).
>
> I haven't done it, I'd prefer to let someone else do the math, and
> then give him credibility to both his present & future remarks.
>

===================

The "single point," regarding contracting to a single point, is the local
universe or frame of the observer or traveler. There is no center point to
infinite Universe, thus every point, including the observer and traveler, is
the center point of the Universe. The "single point" is not forward of
center, not backward of center, nor to any flank of center. Position,
velocity, space and time (including histories (including historionic
point -- light time point -- coordinate systems)) are relative, not
absolute. Not only does the observer measure the speed of light locally --
fore, aft, flanks, all angles into center point -- to be a constant of c,
but so does the traveler exactly the same (fore, aft, flanks, all angles
into center point).

Too many physicists and astronomers will tell you -- in a very Orwellian
way of telling in one breath, denying in the next -- that positioning,
velocity, space and time are really universal absolutes, thus c is a
definitive PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE travelers can travel to "in the direction
of motion (direction of travel)" thus closing up the universe forward, to
the fore, and therefore -- all at once -- arriving backward back home at
exactly the same time they arrive at an infinity of other forward
destinations (it's not nice to have a black hole the only thing in the
universe behind you (all there is and immediately behind you)). Of course
the reality is that travelers travel to somewhere else and never come closer
than the universal constant of c... to the universal constant of c.

A rearward observer who measures the speed of light to be c, positions an
[observed] traveler somewhere in SPACE between himself and the [unobserved]
real traveler, thus closer to himself in SPACE than the real traveler is,
thus observing him to be doing a relative velocity less than his actual
relative velocity. That same observer will observe that same [observed]
traveler to be retarding in TIME relative to himself. He will not be
observing that same [observed] traveler to also be retarding in TIME -- to
the same degree -- relative to the [unobserved] real traveler going away.

The forward observer, the same as the rearward observer, who measures the
speed of light to be c, positions an [observed] traveler somewhere in SPACE
between himself and the [unobserved] real traveler, thus closer to himself
in SPACE than the real traveler is, thus observing him to be doing a
relative velocity less than his actual relative velocity. That same observer
will observe that same [observed] traveler to be retarded in TIME relative
to himself, though he will be observing the [observed] traveler to be
rapidly closing that gap by being speeded up in TIME. He will not be
observing that same [observed] traveler to also be retarded in TIME -- to
the same degree -- relative to the [unobserved] real traveler oncoming. The
[observed] traveler is also rapidly closing the TIME gap, the history gap,
with the [unobserved] real traveler.

The speeding traveler himself, the same as the forward and rearward
observers, who also measures the speed of light to be c, positions both
observers somewhere in SPACE between himself and the [unobserved] real
observers, thus closer to himself in SPACE than the real observers are, thus
the entire nearer light-time universe OF HISTORIES now globally observed by
him to be more closed up -- to far more closed up -- to him in SPACE than it
was. It is as if he is positioned at the dead center of time, the dead
center OF HISTORIES, the universe forward rapidly ascending in time
regarding one set of histories "in the direction of motion (direction of
travel)," while the universe behind rapidly descends in time regarding
another set of histories in the opposed direction. Centered in a nearer
light time universe apparently globally and largely closed up to him, the
light of it has no difficulty whatsoever globally closing with him --
globally closing with his local universe -- at the universal constant of c.
Just as the rearward observer has him (or rather the [observed] traveler)
retarding away in TIME deeper into the reaches of the [observed] non-local
universe OF HISTORIES, so, in turn, he has his departure point and all
rearward observers (the [observed] rearward observers, that is) retarding
away from him in TIME deeper into the reaches of that same [observed]
non-local universe OF HISTORIES.

The traveler can only decelerate in velocity relatively speaking, thus he,
or she, or it, decelerates in velocity into an apparently globally expanding
nearer universe external (non-local) to his own local universe frame.

GLB

===========================

From: Sue... on 30 May 2010 18:04
On May 30, 1:23 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hubble omitted the Relativistic Aberration of Light, this gives an
> incorrect measurement of the *brightness* of a supernova.
>
> Not from supernovas, but extreme aberration causes light from behind
> an observer to appear in front, likewise all of space contracts (NOT
> expands) to a single point. This can also falsify CMBR data.
>
> The more distant supernovas have a DOUBLE effect, not only is their
> recession velocity greater (#1), but the tinniest deviation of their
> light beam projections has a larger impact on their observed
> brightness(#2).

===================

>
> I haven't done it, I'd prefer to let someone else do the math, and
> then give him credibility to both his present & future remarks.

I ran one of the these for a few monthis so
I can do the maths for you.

http://www.gouverneurmuseum.org/Features/theater/projector.html

But you have to tell us where the
"light beam projectors" are located on a supernova.


Sue...




From: Sam Wormley on 30 May 2010 19:05
On 5/30/10 4:39 PM, G. L. Bradford wrote:
> The traveler can only decelerate in velocity relatively speaking, thus
> he, or she, or it, decelerates in velocity into an apparently globally
> expanding nearer universe external (non-local) to his own local universe
> frame.

ILLUCID

Hidden is the law of inertia is that fact the whether an object
is in motion or not depends strictly on the point of view of
the observer.

No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

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