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From: guskz on 13 Jun 2010 14:26
Their atmospheric Cosmic Ray detectors are more than likely not very
accurate,.

Europe's LHC say they can't create a Black Hole, by comparing the
results of a High Energy Cosmic Ray 10^20 eV. Yet atmospheric cosmic
rays are considered secondary particles (Atmospheric protons hit by a
cosmic ray).

Anyone play pool. Hit a cue ball through a stack of billiard balls,
either a Newton's Cradle occurs or sometimes the stack follows
linearly in one direction.

Since they have a hard time isolating a single photon, likewise a
single instead of a chain of PROTONS traveling at almost light's speed
can be creating the 10^20 eV. Therefore un-validating LHC's statement
of not potentially creating a Black Hole.

2010 Guskz
From: guskz on 13 Jun 2010 14:30
On Jun 13, 2:26 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Their atmospheric Cosmic Ray detectors are more than likely not very
> accurate,.
>
> Europe's LHC say they can't create a Black Hole, by comparing the
> results of a High Energy Cosmic Ray 10^20 eV. Yet atmospheric cosmic
> rays are considered secondary particles (Atmospheric protons hit by a
> cosmic ray).
>
> Anyone play pool. Hit a cue ball through a stack of billiard balls,
> either a Newton's Cradle occurs or sometimes the stack follows
> linearly in one direction.
>
> Since they have a hard time isolating a single photon, likewise a
> single instead of a chain of PROTONS traveling at almost light's speed
> can be creating the 10^20 eV. Therefore un-validating LHC's statement
> of not potentially creating a Black Hole.
>
> 2010 Guskz

Computation of the GZK-limit

This extra limit was independently computed in 1966 by Kenneth
Greisen[1], and Vadim Kuz'min and Georgiy Zatsepin[2], based on
interactions between the cosmic ray and the photons of the cosmic
microwave background radiation (CMB). They predicted that cosmic rays
with energies over the threshold energy of 5×1019 eV would interact
with cosmic microwave background photons γCMB to produce pions via the
Δ resonance,

\gamma_{\rm CMB}+p\rightarrow\Delta\Gamma\Delta^h\rightarrow p +
\pi^h.

or

\gamma_{\rm CMB}+p\rightarrow\Delta\Gamma\Delta^h\rightarrow n +
\pi^h.

This process continues until the cosmic ray energy falls below the
pion production threshold. Due to the mean path associated with this
interaction, extragalactic cosmic rays traveling over distances larger
than 50 Mpc (163 Mly) and with energies greater than this threshold
should ******never******* be observed on Earth. This distance is also
known as GZK horizon.
From: guskz on 13 Jun 2010 14:33
On Jun 13, 2:30 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2:26 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Their atmospheric Cosmic Ray detectors are more than likely not very
> > accurate,.
>
> > Europe's LHC say they can't create a Black Hole, by comparing the
> > results of a High Energy Cosmic Ray 10^20 eV. Yet atmospheric cosmic
> > rays are considered secondary particles (Atmospheric protons hit by a
> > cosmic ray).
>
> > Anyone play pool. Hit a cue ball through a stack of billiard balls,
> > either a Newton's Cradle occurs or sometimes the stack follows
> > linearly in one direction.
>
> > Since they have a hard time isolating a single photon, likewise a
> > single instead of a chain of PROTONS traveling at almost light's speed
> > can be creating the 10^20 eV. Therefore un-validating LHC's statement
> > of not potentially creating a Black Hole.
>
> > 2010 Guskz
>
> Computation of the GZK-limit
>
> This extra limit was independently computed in 1966 by Kenneth
> Greisen[1], and Vadim Kuz'min and Georgiy Zatsepin[2], based on
> interactions between the cosmic ray and the photons of the cosmic
> microwave background radiation (CMB). They predicted that cosmic rays
> with energies over the threshold energy of 5×1019 eV would interact
> with cosmic microwave background photons γCMB to produce pions via the
> Δ resonance,
>
>     \gamma_{\rm CMB}+p\rightarrow\Delta\Gamma\Delta^h\rightarrow p +
> \pi^h.
>
> or
>
>     \gamma_{\rm CMB}+p\rightarrow\Delta\Gamma\Delta^h\rightarrow n +
> \pi^h.
>
> This process continues until the cosmic ray energy falls below the
> pion production threshold. Due to the mean path associated with this
> interaction, extragalactic cosmic rays traveling over distances larger
> than 50 Mpc (163 Mly) and with energies greater than this threshold
> should ******never******* be observed on Earth. This distance is also
> known as GZK horizon.

So they calculate their should never be cosmic rays on Earth with
10^20 Ev and LHC calculated that they should **never** create a black
hole.

2010 Before Einstein, Guskz
From: Raymond Yohros on 15 Jun 2010 19:10
On Jun 15, 5:43 pm, Thomas Heger <ttt_...(a)web.de> wrote:
> Black holes are not well understood. As I see it, they are not
> singularities, but states with a different timeline than our Earth. The
> future is pointing away from us, hence we cannot see something coming
> from there. But this doesn't mean, such a state has no future, it is
> only not ours.
>

the lhc will not produce a sustainable BH
but it will provide the foundation and
basic tracks to imagine a machine that
may do it.

>
> To create such a state here on Earth would be extremely silly and
> dangerous to us earthlings.
>

i totally disagree.
it is a historic exiting great step that other civilizations
have already made!

r.y


From: Thomas Heger on 16 Jun 2010 01:37
Raymond Yohros schrieb:
> On Jun 15, 5:43 pm, Thomas Heger <ttt_...(a)web.de> wrote:
>> Black holes are not well understood. As I see it, they are not
>> singularities, but states with a different timeline than our Earth. The
>> future is pointing away from us, hence we cannot see something coming
>> from there. But this doesn't mean, such a state has no future, it is
>> only not ours.
>>
>
> the lhc will not produce a sustainable BH
> but it will provide the foundation and
> basic tracks to imagine a machine that
> may do it.
>
Maybe you misunderstood me. But what I meant was, that the term 'black
hole' itself is wrong. So the LHC cannot create one. But they could
create something G. Lochak called 'magnetic monopoles'.
These things are experimental proven.
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf

Maybe these strange things do not suck the entire Earth into a wormhole,
but possibly a large chunk of Switzerland gets lost. Not really lost, it
only transmutes, but thats bad enough.
But anyhow, I think, those people in charge at CERN should have a look
at those papers from Lochak and ask themselves, if it's really safe what
they are doing. They most certainly have more experience and knowledge
than me. And loads of people with time, computers and PhDs.

>> To create such a state here on Earth would be extremely silly and
>> dangerous to us earthlings.
>>
>
> i totally disagree.
> it is a historic exiting great step that other civilizations
> have already made!
>
possibly those, that have never been heard of again.

TH
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