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From: Wes Groleau on 14 Jun 2010 18:58
On 06-14-2010 17:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Actually, I've seen modern software malfunction or do the unexpected. If
> that software happened to be some sort of editing software, for
> instance, and mangled your extended characters into something else on
> save,…

I'd know it within a few seconds after uploading and would not use that
software again. From OS 10.0.3 to 10.6.3, neither TextEdit nor
BareBones nor vim has ever done that.

> save, you'd be a little pissed, I imagine. With the extended characters
> encoded as HTML entities there is no chance of that happening. IMO, it's
> just a safer way to do it.

Sacrifice readability to a nonexistent threat?
To each his own.

(By the way, I have encountered browsers that did not recognize some
of the W3C-defined named entities and so spelled them out.)

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From: Jolly Roger on 14 Jun 2010 19:58
In article <hv6c6s$jr1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 06-14-2010 17:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > Actually, I've seen modern software malfunction or do the unexpected. If
> > that software happened to be some sort of editing software, for
> > instance, and mangled your extended characters into something else on
> > save,�
>
> I�d know it within a few seconds after uploading and would not use that
> software again. From OS 10.0.3 to 10.6.3, neither TextEdit nor
> BareBones nor vim has ever done that.
>
> > save, you'd be a little pissed, I imagine. With the extended characters
> > encoded as HTML entities there is no chance of that happening. IMO, it's
> > just a safer way to do it.
>
> Sacrifice readability to a nonexistent threat?
> To each his own.
>
> (By the way, I have encountered browsers that did not recognize some
> of the W3C-defined named entities and so spelled them out.)

Numeric entities are the safest bet.

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From: Barry Margolin on 14 Jun 2010 23:44
In article <1jk2iqm.1o3g2olzx9z36N%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Davoud <star(a)sky.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Here's a pic from a website as displayed in Safari 5.0 on my iMac (os
> > > > 10.6.3). The tilde over the "a" in Jo�o Gilberto's name is "question
> > > > marked" throughout.
> > > >
> > > > http://grab.by/4UD9
> > > >
> > > > Is this me, or is it the website? What can be done on my, or the
> > > > website's end, to correct this?
> > > >
> > > > Simple answers for simple minds appreciated.
> >
> > Davoud:
> > > You would have to provide the URL of the web site. A two dimensional
> > > screen grab carries no evidence of what's wrong, gives no one the
> > > opportunity to duplicate your problem.
> >
> > Never mind. I found the web page at...
>
> I "found" the site by using the link the OP himself provided.

The OP's link is to a screen grab, not the web site in question.

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From: Warren Oates on 16 Jun 2010 08:55
In article <dorayme-B0B75A.09200315062010(a)news.albasani.net>,
dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> I would be interested to get feedback on if anyone on any *Mac
> OS* sees different between the two URLs above on any *Mac
> browser* (apart from that one has two illustrated instances).

Well, you may just be lucky with the one that doesn't use the
"entities." One should always use the entities for them furriner
letters. See, here's the thing: with

http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/jojo.html

if I (with Opera, say, but any browser will do) change the encoding from
"automatic" to "US Ascii" then your text goes into the toilet. Opera
displays the tilded character as upper-case A tilde, followed by the
sterling (British pound) symbol. Changing the encoding on your other
site has no effect; both lines display correctly.

Also, &atilde is identical to &#227 so all of god's browsers should be
able to see it.
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From: krishnananda on 16 Jun 2010 10:13
In article <4c18c9b1$0$31691$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-B0B75A.09200315062010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested to get feedback on if anyone on any *Mac
> > OS* sees different between the two URLs above on any *Mac
> > browser* (apart from that one has two illustrated instances).
>
> Well, you may just be lucky with the one that doesn't use the
> "entities." One should always use the entities for them furriner
> letters. See, here's the thing: with
>
> http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/jojo.html
>
> if I (with Opera, say, but any browser will do) change the encoding from
> "automatic" to "US Ascii" then your text goes into the toilet. Opera
> displays the tilded character as upper-case A tilde, followed by the
> sterling (British pound) symbol. Changing the encoding on your other
> site has no effect; both lines display correctly.
>
> Also, &atilde is identical to &#227 so all of god's browsers should be
> able to see it.

My Safari (4.0.5) defaults to "Western (ISO Latin 1)". There is no
setting for either "automatic" or "US ASCII". It has no problem with
either page rendering the "~".
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