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From: PeterD on 25 May 2010 09:26 On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:52:17 -0400, "liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrote: > >"bob" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message >news:ht99d8$52r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> >> You got to give apple credit for re inventing the wheel many times. >> But, that's NO guarantee they will be around in 5 or 10 years. >> >> Looking back 30 years, one would have thought the Wangs, DEC, CPM, OS2 and >> others would rule the world in the future. History has proven otherwise. >> >> Apple has convinced the public that their proprietary locked in products >> are better than others. > >You mean like Wang, DEC, CPM, and OS2? :-) > >Wang was very proprietary. Here's my Wang story. I went in for an interview back when they were still big and making money. An all day interview, for a high position. The guy I met with just before lunch said: "We have so many customers that we don't even have to think about attracting new business..." I don't know if the look of astonishment showed on my face, but I wrote off Wang (and the interview) right then and there. I finished the day, but it was clear from that moment that the magic was gone from that offer. Within a year things started to fall apart at Wang. Existing customers started drifting away from dedicated Wang word processors, and Wang didn't have the infrastructure to attract new buyers for new products. New products were so far behind the offerings of their competitors that even existing customers didn't want them! What was the pride of Lowell, the Wang towers, became the embarrassment of Lowell! Wang managed to finish the third tower, and then never even occupied it. >Same for DEC. > >CPM got blown out by DOS, which just plain worked better for most. > >And OS2 was so late to market Windows was already entrenched. > >Anyway, point is Apple understands what Wang didn't...marketing. The >products are built to a price point and work well. The fact that Apple has been on the brink of death on several occasions clearly shows that they are not nearly as good at it as they think! Apple's beginnings as an open platform were hugely successful, then in the face of success (with the Apple ][) then then created the closed Lisa/Macintosh systems that froze out everyone but Apple. Had Apple not followed that closed system path, I have no doubt that today they would have the platform share that the "PC" compatible computers now have. Instead they cut off their nose to spite their face, a bad move that they still today have not learned from. > >I don't buy them. But many do. > Not nearly as many as they would sell if they'd get their systems opened up, be more user/buyer friendly, and stop trying to tell everyone (especially their customers) what to do, when to do it, and how to do it!
From: liquidator on 26 May 2010 15:38 "PeterD" <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in message news:bhjnv5higgh2jej5ctr7drt7c88787clnf(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:52:17 -0400, "liquidator" > <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrote: > >> >>"bob" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message >>news:ht99d8$52r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> >>> You got to give apple credit for re inventing the wheel many times. >>> But, that's NO guarantee they will be around in 5 or 10 years. >>> >>> Looking back 30 years, one would have thought the Wangs, DEC, CPM, OS2 >>> and >>> others would rule the world in the future. History has proven otherwise. >>> >>> Apple has convinced the public that their proprietary locked in products >>> are better than others. >> >>You mean like Wang, DEC, CPM, and OS2? :-) >> >>Wang was very proprietary. > > Here's my Wang story. I went in for an interview back when they were > still big and making money. An all day interview, for a high position. > The guy I met with just before lunch said: "We have so many customers > that we don't even have to think about attracting new business..." > > I don't know if the look of astonishment showed on my face, but I > wrote off Wang (and the interview) right then and there. I finished > the day, but it was clear from that moment that the magic was gone > from that offer. > > Within a year things started to fall apart at Wang. Existing customers > started drifting away from dedicated Wang word processors, and Wang > didn't have the infrastructure to attract new buyers for new products. > New products were so far behind the offerings of their competitors > that even existing customers didn't want them! > > What was the pride of Lowell, the Wang towers, became the > embarrassment of Lowell! Wang managed to finish the third tower, and > then never even occupied it. > > >>Same for DEC. >> >>CPM got blown out by DOS, which just plain worked better for most. >> >>And OS2 was so late to market Windows was already entrenched. >> >>Anyway, point is Apple understands what Wang didn't...marketing. The >>products are built to a price point and work well. > > The fact that Apple has been on the brink of death on several > occasions clearly shows that they are not nearly as good at it as they > think! Apple's beginnings as an open platform were hugely successful, > then in the face of success (with the Apple ][) then then created the > closed Lisa/Macintosh systems that froze out everyone but Apple. Had > Apple not followed that closed system path, I have no doubt that today > they would have the platform share that the "PC" compatible computers > now have. Instead they cut off their nose to spite their face, a bad > move that they still today have not learned from. > > > >> >>I don't buy them. But many do. >> > > Not nearly as many as they would sell if they'd get their systems > opened up, be more user/buyer friendly, and stop trying to tell > everyone (especially their customers) what to do, when to do it, and > how to do it! I've made decent money on Apple stock, say what you will. There are tons of misfires in the IT industry...like the IBM memo that PC's wouldn't hurt the typewriter business... Of course the IBM PC Jr., and the Apple III come to mind...
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 27 May 2010 06:31 >> >> The fact that Apple has been on the brink of death on several >> occasions clearly shows that they are not nearly as good at it as they >> think! Instead they cut off their nose to spite their face, a bad >> move that they still today have not learned from. >> >> >> >>> >>>I don't buy them. But many do. >>> >> >> Not nearly as many as they would sell if they'd get their systems >> opened up, be more user/buyer friendly, and stop trying to tell >> everyone (especially their customers) what to do, when to do it, and >> how to do it! This just in http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-overtakes-Microsoft-as-rb-2462784489.html?x=0 George
From: liquidator on 27 May 2010 10:39
"George's Pro Sound Co." <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a_idnSHR8OOW12PWnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > >>> >>> The fact that Apple has been on the brink of death on several >>> occasions clearly shows that they are not nearly as good at it as they >>> think! > > Instead they cut off their nose to spite their face, a bad >>> move that they still today have not learned from. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>I don't buy them. But many do. >>>> >>> >>> Not nearly as many as they would sell if they'd get their systems >>> opened up, be more user/buyer friendly, and stop trying to tell >>> everyone (especially their customers) what to do, when to do it, and >>> how to do it! > > This just in > > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-overtakes-Microsoft-as-rb-2462784489.html?x=0 > > George > Sad but true, these days the bottom line is top dog. Actually glad to see Gates kicked out of first, didn't like him when I met him back in the 70's. |