From: Greegor on
On Aug 12, 11:52 pm, Greegor <greego...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 4:43 am, John Doe <j...(a)usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Greegor <greegor47 gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would not normally be very hard on somebody with a disability
> > > but I'm also not going to placate somebody like Archie or Green
> > > Xenon.
>
> > > Green Xenon kept asking in various places for help to design his
> > > extra special untraceable computer.
>
> > What use for tracing a computer? I suppose a straightforward
> > threat of physical violence might be a good reason. Then again,
> > the chances of someone following up are probably very small, the
> > chance of them succeeding is probably very small, and the chance
> > of them getting caught even without tracing their computer is
> > probably high and might involve the FBI if they crossed state
> > lines.
>
> > > After seeing his manifesto describing his anger at the world and
> > > intent to punish the world without any consequences,
>
> > Sounds like something out of a comic book.
>
> > > I realized my usual conciliatory stance toward disabled people
> > > would be wrong. His motive and intent were beyond sick.
>
> > > I saw that ignoring Archie was not working and that Archie
> > > urgently wanted to vent his anger so I challenged him.
>
> > > Archie's overinflated EGO stood out as unlike my observations of
> > > misfits and recluses I had befriended and worked with decades
> > > ago.
>
> > > Then it dawned on me that today those social misfits have their
> > > own little kingdom.
>
> > A kingdom that is in fact practically harmless.
>
> > > I had thought that the nature of internet and usenet was causing
> > > normal people to undergo a "road rage" like behavior change, and
> > > I still think that is a part of the picture.  
>
> > It is very much part of the picture. Some people cannot cope with
> > being unable to exert physical influence over others. Some people
> > thrive in it.
>
> > > But I now think that a much larger portion of the bad behavior
> > > is coming from social misfits with bonafide mental or brain
> > > disorders likeAspergers.
>
> > Imagine what Vincent Van Gogh and Edgar Allan Poe would have done
> > to the world through UseNet. Mental illness is not uncommon among
> > geniuses. You can guess that mental hyperactivity makes one good
> > at UseNet/Internet stuff. You might also find that some social
> > misfits and mentally challenged people actually do better on the
> > Internet.
>
> > Just be glad you are not there?
>
> > > Lots of people withAspergersor Schizophrenia, etc. can behave
> > > themselves and be very much productive members of society.  I
> > > have a renewed concern however with the way that usenet social
> > > misfits can feed off each other and gradually drift into
> > > criminal or dangerous territory.
>
> > Difficult to control? Yes. Criminal? Maybe sometimes. Dangerous?
> > Hardly.
>
> > > AUK and their behavior reached a level of excess and had a
> > > slight correction (law suit) but the group think coming from
> > > mentally toxic misfits is stubborn.
>
> > Was it appealed? There was a lawsuit years ago that involved one
> > of the skiing groups. Apparently some little judge gagged one of
> > the posters. There is no question in my mind that if anything like
> > that were appealed, it would be quickly overturned.
>
> > > The psychology of "playground bullies" and the dynamics of how
> > > groups BADLY respond to them, ignoring or "joining in"
> > > fascinates me.
>
> > Bullying on the Internet is no more of a problem than bullying in
> > real life. The difference is that conventional bullying does not
> > work on the Internet.
>
> > I do not know if and how it could be done, but what UseNet needs
> > is a fixed ID for every persona, independent of Internet service
> > provider. Personally, I could not care less who you are in real
> > life (if you want to advertise that info, fine). All that matters
> > is how you act here on UseNet. That is why nym-shifting sucks IMO.
>
> > UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world.

G > Do you agree with John Doe's assessment Archie?

I strongly disagree, but I want to see YOUR assessment, Archie!