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From: Ant on 30 Apr 2010 17:53 On Apr 30, 9:24 am, Stefan Patric <n...(a)this.address.com> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:17:02 -0700, Ant wrote: > >> [snip] > > >> I thought about installing 32-bit Debian in a 32-bit VM (VirtualBox) on > >> my 64-bit machine to see if I could do the test, but unfortunately in a > >> VM running 32-bit Puppy Linux, /proc/cpuinfo shows the host 64-bit CPU > >> and not a 32-bit one. So, I don't know if this will skew the test or > >> not. > > > No big deal. I just wanted to try it on this old Athlon 64 X2 system > > anyways. > > Let me know if it works. And, just curious... Why did you install 32- > bit Debian on a 64-bit box in the first place? Sure. And because I had no 64-bit systems back in 2005 when I installed this Debian. I also heard 64-bit makes things more complex workarounds and missing stuff like no 64-bit Flash and stuff.
From: Stefan Patric on 1 May 2010 12:28 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:53:42 -0700, Ant wrote: > On Apr 30, 9:24 am, Stefan Patric <n...(a)this.address.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:17:02 -0700, Ant wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> I thought about installing 32-bit Debian in a 32-bit VM (VirtualBox) >> >> on my 64-bit machine to see if I could do the test, but >> >> unfortunately in a VM running 32-bit Puppy Linux, /proc/cpuinfo >> >> shows the host 64-bit CPU and not a 32-bit one. So, I don't know if >> >> this will skew the test or not. >> >> > No big deal. I just wanted to try it on this old Athlon 64 X2 system >> > anyways. >> >> Let me know if it works. And, just curious... Why did you install 32- >> bit Debian on a 64-bit box in the first place? > > Sure. And because I had no 64-bit systems back in 2005 when I installed > this Debian. I also heard 64-bit makes things more complex workarounds > and missing stuff like no 64-bit Flash and stuff. 64-bit is much, much better now. I've been running 64-bit since December 2006 (Fedora 6, 9 and currently 12), and have had only a few problems. As far as browser plugins: Many, but not all, have 64-bit versions now. The others can be wrapped and work pretty well concurrently with the 64- bit ones. Adobe does have a 64-bit Flash plugin. It is a Beta, but is now just as stable as the non-beta "final" 32-bit one. Or, perhaps, I should say just as unstable. ;-) Flash has never been without problems regardless of which OS it is running under. You can download it directly from Adobe Labs: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html Stef
From: The Natural Philosopher on 1 May 2010 14:00 Stefan Patric wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:53:42 -0700, Ant wrote: > >> On Apr 30, 9:24 am, Stefan Patric <n...(a)this.address.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:17:02 -0700, Ant wrote: >>>>> [snip] >>>>> I thought about installing 32-bit Debian in a 32-bit VM (VirtualBox) >>>>> on my 64-bit machine to see if I could do the test, but >>>>> unfortunately in a VM running 32-bit Puppy Linux, /proc/cpuinfo >>>>> shows the host 64-bit CPU and not a 32-bit one. So, I don't know if >>>>> this will skew the test or not. >>>> No big deal. I just wanted to try it on this old Athlon 64 X2 system >>>> anyways. >>> Let me know if it works. And, just curious... Why did you install 32- >>> bit Debian on a 64-bit box in the first place? >> Sure. And because I had no 64-bit systems back in 2005 when I installed >> this Debian. I also heard 64-bit makes things more complex workarounds >> and missing stuff like no 64-bit Flash and stuff. > > 64-bit is much, much better now. I've been running 64-bit since December > 2006 (Fedora 6, 9 and currently 12), and have had only a few problems. > As far as browser plugins: Many, but not all, have 64-bit versions now. > The others can be wrapped and work pretty well concurrently with the 64- > bit ones. > Yup. I went 64 bit about a year ago now, and although there were issues - had to compile firebox - it is mostly 'just working' now. > Adobe does have a 64-bit Flash plugin. It is a Beta, but is now just as > stable as the non-beta "final" 32-bit one. Or, perhaps, I should say > just as unstable. ;-) Flash has never been without problems regardless > of which OS it is running under. > > You can download it directly from Adobe Labs: > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html > > > Stef
From: Ant on 1 May 2010 18:07 On 5/1/2010 11:00 AM PT, The Natural Philosopher typed: >> 64-bit is much, much better now. I've been running 64-bit since >> December 2006 (Fedora 6, 9 and currently 12), and have had only a few >> problems. As far as browser plugins: Many, but not all, have 64-bit >> versions now. The others can be wrapped and work pretty well >> concurrently with the 64- >> bit ones. >> > Yup. I went 64 bit about a year ago now, and although there were issues > - had to compile firebox - it is mostly 'just working' now. Ah cool. I might try that whenever I do a full clean install, but I don't use that much RAM thought yet (most was 3 GB of RAM, but now 2.5 GB since 512 MB went bad). Even my old XP Pro. SP3 still uses 2 GB of RAM which will eventually be my Linux box when I upgrade hardwares. ;) I assume I can still run 32-bit programs on 64-bit Linux like in 64-bit Windows. -- "Ants are so much like human beings as to be an embarrassment. They farm fungi, raise aphids as livestock, launch armies into wars, use chemical sprays to alarm and confuse enemies, capture slaves. The families of weaver ants engage in child labor, holding their larvae like shuttles to spin out the thread that sews the leaves together for their fungus gardens. They exchange information ceaselessly. They do everything but watch television." --Lewis Thomas /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer.
From: Stefan Patric on 1 May 2010 23:44
On Sat, 01 May 2010 15:07:42 -0700, Ant wrote: > [snip] > > Ah cool. I might try that whenever I do a full clean install, but I > don't use that much RAM thought yet (most was 3 GB of RAM, but now 2.5 > GB since 512 MB went bad). Even my old XP Pro. SP3 still uses 2 GB of > RAM which will eventually be my Linux box when I upgrade hardwares. ;) I started with 2GB RAM on my 64-bit system--Fedora Core 6 at the time. When I up'ed it to 4, the system seemed "smoother". There weren't pauses when windows were refreshed with new content, windows opened and closed quicker, apps loaded and opened faster, etc. > I assume I can still run 32-bit programs on 64-bit Linux like in 64-bit > Windows. Yes. As long as the appropriate 32-bit dependencies are installed. Stef |