As the length of the list of computable reals->oo, the length of all possible digit sequences on the list->oo.
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From: Barb Knox on 5 Jul 2010 23:02 In article <d86a1bff-a805-48ca-ad76-fbaa56063342(a)5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, George Greene <greeneg(a)email.unc.edu> wrote: > On Jul 5, 5:20�am, Barb Knox <s...(a)sig.below> wrote: > > I doubt he's lying. �He certainly seems convinced about his > > anti-Cantorian nonsense, > > No, really, he doesn't. The whole point is that it IS nonsense. > He can't even sustain a discussion of it. Every time he is about > to be pinned down on a point, he miraculously has an attack of ADD > and starts talking about something else. Just because he's massively confused and believes contradictory things does not imply he is lying. > Herc is probably trolling. Again, I doubt it. He has certain notions that he repeatedly returns to, and he certainly does seem to want to convince us all of his rightness. Of course it's not impossible that this is a particularly sophisticated long-term troll, but given his general level of confusion and lack of social awareness I don't see how he could manage such a thing. (Of course, it is also not impossible that the confusion too is an act, but I very much doubt that.) > > and it's entirely plausible that he really is > > feeling tortured by the noises in his head. > > Barb, PLEASE!! > HOW COULD YOU KNOW what is or isn't plausible about that sort of > thing?? Experience. Reading. Having seen his postings from the beginning. > Do you have a psychology degree TOO?!? Uh, yes actually. > And it's frankly NOT plausible. Anybody who was ACTUALLY feeling that > would be TOO debilitated to do this much OF THIS! "HOW COULD YOU KNOW what is or isn't plausible about that sort of thing?? Do you have a psychology degree TOO?!?" ISTM that his behaviour and confusion are fairly typical of "high-functioning" schizophrenics, who are not globally debilitated despite their particular delusions and/or hallucinations. If he has bouts of painful auditory hallucinations then he could easily interpret that experience as "them" subjecting him to "sonic torture". This is indeed plausible. -- --------------------------- | BBB b \ Barbara at LivingHistory stop co stop uk | B B aa rrr b | | BBB a a r bbb | Quidquid latine dictum sit, | B B a a r b b | altum videtur. | BBB aa a r bbb | -----------------------------
From: George Greene on 6 Jul 2010 13:56 On Jul 1, 11:44 pm, "|-|ercules" <radgray...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > As the length of the list of computable reals->oo, the length of all possible digit sequences on the list->oo. Your inability to speak English is infuriating. I finally figured out what you meant. You are NOT talking about THE LENGTH of the list of computable reals approaching something -- THAT LENGTH is A CONSTANT and CANNOT move or approach. What you are talking about doing the approaching is SOME INDEX VARIABLE that is TRAVELING DOWN that list. As IT approaches infinity, the MAXIMUM length of the-digit-sequences- with-the-property-that-ALL-sequences-of-THAT-length-occur-as-prefixes- of-elements-on-this-INITIAL-FINITE-segment-of-the-list-of-computable- reals -- THAT maximum -- approaches infinity, yes. BUT IT NEVER *GETS* there! The fact that a list has something AS A LIMIT does NOT imply that the limit IS ON the list! And it is not my job to translate your gibberish into correct language. It is YOUR job TO SAY WHAT YOU MEAN! If I even TRY to do this, you could always allege that I got it wrong or that you meant something else.
From: George Greene on 6 Jul 2010 14:22 On Jul 5, 11:02 pm, Barb Knox <s...(a)sig.below> wrote: > In article > <d86a1bff-a805-48ca-ad76-fbaa56063...(a)5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, > Just because he's massively confused and believes contradictory things > does not imply he is lying. Dammit, IT DOES SO TOO. He is not mentally ill ENOUGH for THAT to be an excuse. If he is "high-functioning schizophrenic" then he is HIGH ENOUGH functioning TO ACTUALLY NOTICE *simple*short* contradictions! Herc's avoidance of being pinned down on any of these requires SOME ACTUAL *STRATEGIES*. > > Herc is probably trolling. > Again, I doubt it. He has certain notions that he repeatedly returns to, NO, THAT IS NOT what is happening! He has certain MANTRAs that he continually REPEATS, but they do not even RISE to the level of NOTIONS! They are not even ADEQUATE to the notion of any sort of mathematical CONCEPT! They will not BEAR even the MILDEST level of SCRUTINY or critical thinking! As soon as some of that is turned on them, he just RUNS OFF ON A TANGENT mantra! He WILL NOT FOCUS on a point! He just randomly starts NEW THREADS ALL OVER again with some re- statement, some variation upon, one of his same OLD THEMES, which, I repeat, are NOT dignifiable with any term so august as NOTIONS! > and he certainly does seem to want to convince us all of his > rightness. Of course it's not impossible that this is a particularly > sophisticated long-term troll, but given his general level of confusion > and lack of social awareness I don't see how he could manage such a > thing. (Of course, it is also not impossible that the confusion too is > an act, but I very much doubt that.) He never evinces confusion. That is the most infuriating aspect of the whole thing. His tone is always didactic, like he is competent to tell US! In his attempts "to convince us all of his rightness", he puts 2 and 2 together approximately, occasionally -- and in doing so, PROVES himself capable of RECOGNIZING and understanding the implications of SIMPLE (short, straightforward) contradictions. Yet when he says something that implies one, he refuses to stay engaged. He doesn't reply on-topic. he doesn't answer straightforward questions. I guarantee you that if you were to ask him, "Do you understand the difference between something being AN ITEM ON a list, and its being contained or covered by the list?", NOT ONLY would he not answer coherently, he would say something that was not even of the proper TYPE OR GRAMMAR *to* be an answer to that question! But the FACT that he DOES ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND the question is ENTIRELY clear from HIS OWN USE of terms and words in that arena! There is something going on here that mere mental illness does NOT relate to!
From: herbzet on 6 Jul 2010 16:00
George Greene wrote: > Barb Knox wrote: > > Just because he's massively confused and believes contradictory things > > does not imply he is lying. > > Dammit, IT DOES SO TOO. > He is not mentally ill ENOUGH for THAT to be an excuse. > If he is "high-functioning schizophrenic" then he is HIGH ENOUGH > functioning TO ACTUALLY NOTICE *simple*short* contradictions! > Herc's avoidance of being pinned down on any of these requires > SOME ACTUAL *STRATEGIES*. Yes -- his failure to be coherent is quite selective. If one summons but a little skepticism, it appears to be a deliberate strategy. It's peculiar -- one would think a normal mature intellect would realize his/her chain is being yanked after a dozen posts or so; but these trolls get away with it for years at a stretch, over literally thousands of posts. I guess they know their business. -- hz |