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From: Paul on 13 Dec 2009 03:40 Jan Alter wrote: > "Desmond" <otuatail(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:2048ce6f-984d-48ae-889b-fa2e6c33dee2(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 12, 4:10 am, Desmond <otuat...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Dec 11, 6:23 pm, Paul <nos...(a)needed.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Desmond wrote: >>>> Hi I am having problems with using this mother board with Windows 7 >>>> 32 / 64. I have found in the past that motherboard manufacturers are >>>> not end user frendly. Any downloads for this? >>>> The CD states Vista inside. I thought that Windows 7 was just Vista >>>> minus the deliberate bugs? >>>> TIA >>>> Desmond. >>> http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&mod... >>> The motherboard is from 2007, so you wouldn't expect to see a heavy Win7 >>> presence. >>> You can go to the various chip makers and get drivers there. >>> But why not give Win7 a chance ? It probably has a ton of >>> drivers built in. Let Win7 solve your driver problem first, >>> before getting all bent out of shape. >>> VIA drivers, for things like VT8237S storage features, or "Integrated >>> Rhine" >>> networking. For my VIA chipset motherboard, I got fresh stuff here. The >>> Attansic chip could just be a PHY, and the driver you want instead is >>> for the Rhine >>> MAC in the Southbridge. Look in the networking section here, for >>> Integrated >>> Rhine and give that driver a try. The "MAC" layer is the brains, and the >>> thing that gets the driver. >>> http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp >>> RealTek HDaudio drivers. >>> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=... >>> If you've still got exclamation points in your Device Manager >>> display, come back and give details. Or, using the first link >>> above, go through the available drivers for WinXP, to understand >>> what is needed to complete your Win7 install. >>> Someone else may have tried Win7 on that motherboard, and >>> this forum may have questions about drivers and the like. >>> http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=M2V-MX+SE&SLang... >>> "Most things seem to work" >>> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20090202041038987&board_id=1&m... >>> Paul >> Asus take me to driver robot to download and run on my PC. Driver >> robot has identified 17 drivers that require updating. >> THE PUNCH LINE: I have to pay $29.95 to down load them. Cheeky >> bastards.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Its the integrated vidio that is causing me a problem. If anyone knows > the type that comes with the motherboard I could search for it. > > Desmond. > > > It appears that this driver is being used for that mb > > VIA DeltaChrome > > but I'm not getting any conclusive results for drivers supporting Vista > or Win 7 at the moment. > Desmond - my advice would be to never use "driver finder" links that advertisers place on download sites. Be more careful where you click. I normally don't find advertising on Asus.com web sites. Maybe you were actually using a driver finder site instead ? Asus doesn't charge for drivers. ******* So far, I have 17 browser windows open, and I'm not making much progress. This link presumably has the "system of the week" listed, and right now, this page is showing info for M2V-MX SE. First of all, their claim is the Northbridge is K8M890CE, which is about a three year old chip. The VT8237S (I've got one on my motherboard) may be slightly newer, but we don't care about that right now. The Northbridge is the thing that needs a video driver. http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/systems Asus M2V-MX SE 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE Host Bridge 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video (rev 11) In the VIA marketing web pages, K8M890 and P4M900 "walk hand in hand", like they were released at the same time. http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2006_archive/pr061206IGP_VistaBasic.jsp And yet, if I go to the VIA download page, I'm offered a driver for P4M900, and K8M900 is not mentioned. it is like it "fell off the earth". http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp Microsoft Windows Windows 7 32 bit Integrated Graphics P4M900 Via Chrome9(TM) The P900W7i.inf file from that p4m900(ce)-vn896(ce)-cn896(ce)_24-10-04p_bld2_win7_viawsetup_logod.zip download, has this for an identity. %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3371 If I go to the MSI web site, and look for drivers for K9VGM-V, they have drivers for Vista, but no Windows 7. That motherboard uses K8M890CE. http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=1&prod_no=260 http://download2.msi.com/files/downloads/dvr_exe/Vista64_K8M890_VGA.zip The file K890LH64.inf in there has %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3230 and a DEVice value of hexadecimal 3230 seems to be correct, from the info I can find. So on the one hand, VIA has a driver for Windows 7, with the wrong value in the installer for it to install (they also don't include K8M890CE as a candidate chip for that driver). If you use the VIA P4M900 driver, it won't install, because the string in the INF is wrong. On the other hand, an MSI driver for their K8M890CE board, has what appears to be the right ID. The driver even unzips into a folder called K8M890CE. But the thing is, they only offer a Vista driver, and no Windows7. If this was a new build, and there was no cost to me to start the install all over again, I'd download the VIA driver, and change the one line to match what I feel is the value actually contained in your chip. So the P900W7i.inf would read %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3230 You can either verify the VEN and DEV, by using Device Manager some how, for the item which has the exclamation mark. Or, get a copy of Everest, because it also lists VEN and DEV. This is the last version that Lavalys gave away, and even if it doesn't name all hardware correctly, it may still be able to allow you to verify the VEN and DEV on all hardware devices sitting on system buses. http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html So if you want to hack the VIA driver and give it a try, go right ahead. I doubt I'm going to find a modern enough K8M890 or K8M890ce based motherboard, to find a Windows 7 driver for it. I understand it is possible to install Vista drivers on Windows 7, but I'm not the right guy to ask about that. I don't have Windows 7, and there are forums, USENET or private, that likely have more info about across-OS driver hacks. I'd be less willing to try that, than to hack the INF as proposed above. There is someone in the same situation here. http://www.viaarena.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-40141.html Paul
From: Jan Alter on 13 Dec 2009 08:20 "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hg29a3$6ga$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Jan Alter wrote: >> "Desmond" <otuatail(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:2048ce6f-984d-48ae-889b-fa2e6c33dee2(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> On Dec 12, 4:10 am, Desmond <otuat...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>> On Dec 11, 6:23 pm, Paul <nos...(a)needed.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Desmond wrote: >>>>> Hi I am having problems with using this mother board with Windows 7 >>>>> 32 / 64. I have found in the past that motherboard manufacturers are >>>>> not end user frendly. Any downloads for this? >>>>> The CD states Vista inside. I thought that Windows 7 was just Vista >>>>> minus the deliberate bugs? >>>>> TIA >>>>> Desmond. >>>> http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&mod... >>>> The motherboard is from 2007, so you wouldn't expect to see a heavy >>>> Win7 presence. >>>> You can go to the various chip makers and get drivers there. >>>> But why not give Win7 a chance ? It probably has a ton of >>>> drivers built in. Let Win7 solve your driver problem first, >>>> before getting all bent out of shape. >>>> VIA drivers, for things like VT8237S storage features, or "Integrated >>>> Rhine" >>>> networking. For my VIA chipset motherboard, I got fresh stuff here. The >>>> Attansic chip could just be a PHY, and the driver you want instead is >>>> for the Rhine >>>> MAC in the Southbridge. Look in the networking section here, for >>>> Integrated >>>> Rhine and give that driver a try. The "MAC" layer is the brains, and >>>> the >>>> thing that gets the driver. >>>> http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp >>>> RealTek HDaudio drivers. >>>> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=... >>>> If you've still got exclamation points in your Device Manager >>>> display, come back and give details. Or, using the first link >>>> above, go through the available drivers for WinXP, to understand >>>> what is needed to complete your Win7 install. >>>> Someone else may have tried Win7 on that motherboard, and >>>> this forum may have questions about drivers and the like. >>>> http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=M2V-MX+SE&SLang... >>>> "Most things seem to work" >>>> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20090202041038987&board_id=1&m... >>>> Paul >>> Asus take me to driver robot to download and run on my PC. Driver >>> robot has identified 17 drivers that require updating. >>> THE PUNCH LINE: I have to pay $29.95 to down load them. Cheeky >>> bastards.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Its the integrated vidio that is causing me a problem. If anyone knows >> the type that comes with the motherboard I could search for it. >> >> Desmond. >> >> >> It appears that this driver is being used for that mb >> >> VIA DeltaChrome >> >> but I'm not getting any conclusive results for drivers supporting >> Vista or Win 7 at the moment. >> > > Desmond - my advice would be to never use "driver finder" links that > advertisers > place on download sites. Be more careful where you click. I normally don't > find advertising on Asus.com web sites. Maybe you were actually using > a driver finder site instead ? Asus doesn't charge for drivers. > > ******* > > So far, I have 17 browser windows open, and I'm not making much progress. > > This link presumably has the "system of the week" listed, and right now, > this > page is showing info for M2V-MX SE. First of all, their claim is the > Northbridge > is K8M890CE, which is about a three year old chip. The VT8237S (I've got > one on > my motherboard) may be slightly newer, but we don't care about that right > now. > The Northbridge is the thing that needs a video driver. > > http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/systems > > Asus M2V-MX SE > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE Host Bridge > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 > [Chrome9] Integrated Video (rev 11) > > In the VIA marketing web pages, K8M890 and P4M900 "walk hand in hand", > like > they were released at the same time. > > http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2006_archive/pr061206IGP_VistaBasic.jsp > > And yet, if I go to the VIA download page, I'm offered a driver for > P4M900, > and K8M900 is not mentioned. it is like it "fell off the earth". > > http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp > > Microsoft Windows > Windows 7 32 bit > Integrated Graphics > P4M900 Via Chrome9(TM) > > The P900W7i.inf file from that > p4m900(ce)-vn896(ce)-cn896(ce)_24-10-04p_bld2_win7_viawsetup_logod.zip > download, has this for an identity. > > %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3371 > > If I go to the MSI web site, and look for drivers for K9VGM-V, they have > drivers > for Vista, but no Windows 7. That motherboard uses K8M890CE. > > http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=1&prod_no=260 > > http://download2.msi.com/files/downloads/dvr_exe/Vista64_K8M890_VGA.zip > > The file K890LH64.inf in there has > > %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3230 > > and a DEVice value of hexadecimal 3230 seems to be correct, from the info > I can find. > > So on the one hand, VIA has a driver for Windows 7, with the wrong value > in the installer for it to install (they also don't include K8M890CE as > a candidate chip for that driver). If you use the VIA P4M900 driver, > it won't install, because the string in the INF is wrong. > > On the other hand, an MSI driver for their K8M890CE board, has what > appears to be the right ID. The driver even unzips into a folder called > K8M890CE. But the thing is, they only offer a Vista driver, and no > Windows7. > > If this was a new build, and there was no cost to me to start the install > all over again, I'd download the VIA driver, and change the one line to > match what I feel is the value actually contained in your chip. So the > P900W7i.inf would read > > %S3GDeltaChromeIGP% = S3G700, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3230 > > You can either verify the VEN and DEV, by using Device Manager some how, > for the item which has the exclamation mark. Or, get a copy of Everest, > because it also lists VEN and DEV. This is the last version that Lavalys > gave away, and even if it doesn't name all hardware correctly, it may > still be able to allow you to verify the VEN and DEV on all hardware > devices sitting on system buses. > > http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html > > So if you want to hack the VIA driver and give it a try, > go right ahead. I doubt I'm going to find a modern enough > K8M890 or K8M890ce based motherboard, to find a Windows 7 > driver for it. > > I understand it is possible to install Vista drivers on Windows 7, > but I'm not the right guy to ask about that. I don't have Windows 7, > and there are forums, USENET or private, that likely have more > info about across-OS driver hacks. I'd be less willing to try that, > than to hack the INF as proposed above. > > There is someone in the same situation here. > > http://www.viaarena.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-40141.html > > Paul If there is a Vista driver found I would certainly try it. If it doesn't work then give Asus support a call. An mb just two years old should be viable to work with Win 7 and Asus to supply a driver IMHO. By the way, I've found that a clean installation of Win 7 takes about 35 minutes. I did that with a seven year old notebook running a 2.4 Ghz , P4 with one gb of RAM. However, if one does an upgrade to Win 7 it may take hours. Just a week ago, on another notebook running an Intel T9550 cpu, with 4 gb of RAM and 45 gb of data it took me 3.5 hrs, and an additional hour to add Win 7 drivers that were sent on a disk for the computer by the notebook maker, but were not native to Win 7. Jan Alter bearpuf(a)verizon.net
From: Paul on 13 Dec 2009 08:43 Jan Alter wrote: > If there is a Vista driver found I would certainly try it. If it doesn't > work then give Asus support a call. An mb just two years old should be > viable to work with Win 7 and Asus to supply a driver IMHO. > > By the way, I've found that a clean installation of Win 7 takes about 35 > minutes. I did that with a seven year old notebook running a 2.4 Ghz , P4 > with one gb of RAM. However, if one does an upgrade to Win 7 it may take > hours. Just a week ago, on another notebook running an Intel T9550 cpu, > with 4 gb of RAM and 45 gb of data it took me 3.5 hrs, and an additional > hour to add Win 7 drivers that were sent on a disk for the computer by the > notebook maker, but were not native to Win 7. > > > > Jan Alter > bearpuf(a)verizon.net Did the install seem to be working hard during all of that ? I can't imagine what takes so long. And I thought the WinXP install was slow. Maybe they want you to buy a faster computer :-) Paul
From: Jan Alter on 13 Dec 2009 09:35 "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hg2r1q$kev$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Jan Alter wrote: > >> If there is a Vista driver found I would certainly try it. If it doesn't >> work then give Asus support a call. An mb just two years old should be >> viable to work with Win 7 and Asus to supply a driver IMHO. >> >> By the way, I've found that a clean installation of Win 7 takes about >> 35 minutes. I did that with a seven year old notebook running a 2.4 Ghz , >> P4 with one gb of RAM. However, if one does an upgrade to Win 7 it may >> take hours. Just a week ago, on another notebook running an Intel T9550 >> cpu, with 4 gb of RAM and 45 gb of data it took me 3.5 hrs, and an >> additional hour to add Win 7 drivers that were sent on a disk for the >> computer by the notebook maker, but were not native to Win 7. >> >> >> >> Jan Alter >> bearpuf(a)verizon.net > > Did the install seem to be working hard during all of that ? > I can't imagine what takes so long. And I thought the WinXP > install was slow. Maybe they want you to buy a faster computer :-) > > Paul > The notebook is already considered fast with a T9550 cpu and 4 gb of RAM. By benchmark standards its 5 times as fast as the Pentium 2.4 ghz. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php I was amazed as well to how slow this upgrade was. I did some googling to see if other upgraders to Windows 7 were going through the same sluggishness and found one report of a fellow whose upgrade took him 20 hours. It was noted that he had 690 gb of data, but I considered even so, one should plan to start their own Windows 7 upgrade from Vista in the evening, before they go to sleep so they can come down in the morning and wake up to their new OS. Jan Alter bearpuf(a)verizon.net
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