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From: AV3 on 24 May 2010 20:45
On May/24/2010 6:0410 PM, John McWilliams wrote:
> AV3 wrote:
>> On May/24/2010 11:2616 AM, John McWilliams wrote:
>>> AV3 wrote:
>>>> On May/23/2010 11:0046 PM, Gerry wrote:
>>>>> In article<htcn8c$99e$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
>>>>> AV3<arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until the most recent version of iTunes, whenever I inserted a CD not
>>>>>> previously run on my computer, iTunes/Gracenote attributed a title to
>>>>>> the disc and titles to each track. I could change those titles, and
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> time I re-inserted the disk, those titles would appear on the disk
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> its tracks, as well as in iTunes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, iTunes retains all titles and changes, but the disk itself
>>>>>> sits on
>>>>>> my desktop entitled "Audio CD" and its tracks only in sequence
>>>>>> "Track 1,
>>>>>> 2, etc." Is there a way to restore titling to the disk itself?
>>>>>
>>>>> This behavior is due to the age of the CD not to iTunes. Older CDs
>>>>> weren't encoded to handle CD Text, newer CDs are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are quite right about the age of the CD playing a role. In fact,
>>>> the last three CD's I had a problem with were old, so I tried a newer
>>>> CD I had never previously inserted and it behaved in the normal,
>>>> established fashion. In fact, the title searched out in Gracenote
>>>> immediately appeared on the desktop icon itself without having to
>>>> re-insert the CD as previously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the problem with the old CD's does not apply to older OS's. On my
>>>> old laptop, OS 10.5.x, the titles are applied to the CD regardless of
>>>> age. On the other hand, on my current laptop, OS 10.6.3, old CD's
>>>> titles and tracks cannot be changed in any way, nor can I change their
>>>> ownership.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the excess curiosity, but if your tracks are already in
>>> iTunes, why would you want to insert the CD, and why would you care how
>>> the tracks are labelled or not?
>>>
>>
>>
>> As I said in the original message, an anonymous CD on my desktop
>> requires me to open iTunes to identify it. I often keep music CD's in
>> the computer over several days, so after some absence I may forget
>> which is there. Also, I often play sets of CD's, and it is convenient
>> to know if it is, ex., "Disk 3 of 4," as I always add such information
>> to CD names. And I correct spelling and information errors on track
>> names, both on the CD itself as well as in iTunes. No apologies for
>> being anal in this newsgroup.
>
> I accept your apology nonetheless....
>
> But I'd never put an anonymous disk into my computer, nor do I keep
> disks in the drive unless they're in use.
>
> You might be interested to see what Tune up can do for you:
> http://www.tuneupmedia.com
>
> It's perfect for those who want their music info complete, but aren't
> anal about it.....
>


I will try your suggestion, if I have time before setting out on a long
trip. I don't put an anonymous disk into my computer; the music CD's I
insert come from purchased albums, some new, some of older vintage.
iTunes/Gracenote recognizes their content and shows disk and track names
in iTunes. Those names also appear in the disk icon and folder-displayed
tracks for newer CD's. This procedure is the same for all music CD's in
older operating systems. The latest version of Mac OS6.10.3, however,
leaves older disk icons and tracks nameless, so they can only be
identified by opening iTunes. Those are what I meant by describing
annoying "anonymous" disk icons on my desktop.


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From: AV3 on 24 May 2010 20:56
On May/24/2010 6:0410 PM, John McWilliams wrote:
> AV3 wrote:
>> On May/24/2010 11:2616 AM, John McWilliams wrote:
>>> AV3 wrote:
>>>> On May/23/2010 11:0046 PM, Gerry wrote:
>>>>> In article<htcn8c$99e$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
>>>>> AV3<arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until the most recent version of iTunes, whenever I inserted a CD not
>>>>>> previously run on my computer, iTunes/Gracenote attributed a title to
>>>>>> the disc and titles to each track. I could change those titles, and
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> time I re-inserted the disk, those titles would appear on the disk
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> its tracks, as well as in iTunes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, iTunes retains all titles and changes, but the disk itself
>>>>>> sits on
>>>>>> my desktop entitled "Audio CD" and its tracks only in sequence
>>>>>> "Track 1,
>>>>>> 2, etc." Is there a way to restore titling to the disk itself?
>>>>>
>>>>> This behavior is due to the age of the CD not to iTunes. Older CDs
>>>>> weren't encoded to handle CD Text, newer CDs are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are quite right about the age of the CD playing a role. In fact,
>>>> the last three CD's I had a problem with were old, so I tried a newer
>>>> CD I had never previously inserted and it behaved in the normal,
>>>> established fashion. In fact, the title searched out in Gracenote
>>>> immediately appeared on the desktop icon itself without having to
>>>> re-insert the CD as previously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the problem with the old CD's does not apply to older OS's. On my
>>>> old laptop, OS 10.5.x, the titles are applied to the CD regardless of
>>>> age. On the other hand, on my current laptop, OS 10.6.3, old CD's
>>>> titles and tracks cannot be changed in any way, nor can I change their
>>>> ownership.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the excess curiosity, but if your tracks are already in
>>> iTunes, why would you want to insert the CD, and why would you care how
>>> the tracks are labelled or not?
>>>
>>
>>
>> As I said in the original message, an anonymous CD on my desktop
>> requires me to open iTunes to identify it. I often keep music CD's in
>> the computer over several days, so after some absence I may forget
>> which is there. Also, I often play sets of CD's, and it is convenient
>> to know if it is, ex., "Disk 3 of 4," as I always add such information
>> to CD names. And I correct spelling and information errors on track
>> names, both on the CD itself as well as in iTunes. No apologies for
>> being anal in this newsgroup.
>
> I accept your apology nonetheless....
>
> But I'd never put an anonymous disk into my computer, nor do I keep
> disks in the drive unless they're in use.
>
> You might be interested to see what Tune up can do for you:
> http://www.tuneupmedia.com
>
> It's perfect for those who want their music info complete, but aren't
> anal about it.....
>


I checked out tuneupmedia, and I think it is for identifying disk and
track names unknown to Gracenote. My complaint is only that Gracenote
names are not transferred to some older CD desktop icons and tracks,
although they appear correctly inside iTunes.


Incidentally, I am a fan of some esoteric music, so I supply disk and
track names from album booklets to Gracenote, when I first play a disk
that Gracenote can't identify. Of course, I want my handiwork to show up
on my desktop icons, once Gracenote gets my input. This problem shows up
more often with old, obscure music on old, seldom-played disks.


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From: John McWilliams on 24 May 2010 21:10
Gerry wrote:
> In article <htertd$i3b$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
> AV3 <arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> As I said in the original message, an anonymous CD on my desktop
>> requires me to open iTunes to identify it. I often keep music CD's in
>> the computer over several days, so after some absence I may forget which
>> is there. Also, I often play sets of CD's, and it is convenient to know
>> if it is, ex., "Disk 3 of 4," as I always add such information to CD
>> names. And I correct spelling and information errors on track names,
>> both on the CD itself as well as in iTunes. No apologies for being anal
>> in this newsgroup.
>
> How can you possibly change the information on the CD?
>
> The information on the CD is burned in and can't be changed.

Gerry-

Read the whole thread; the answer is in it.

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From: Gerry on 24 May 2010 21:19
In article <htf82b$una$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:

> Gerry wrote:
> > In article <htertd$i3b$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
> > AV3 <arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> As I said in the original message, an anonymous CD on my desktop
> >> requires me to open iTunes to identify it. I often keep music CD's in
> >> the computer over several days, so after some absence I may forget which
> >> is there. Also, I often play sets of CD's, and it is convenient to know
> >> if it is, ex., "Disk 3 of 4," as I always add such information to CD
> >> names. And I correct spelling and information errors on track names,
> >> both on the CD itself as well as in iTunes. No apologies for being anal
> >> in this newsgroup.
> >
> > How can you possibly change the information on the CD?
> >
> > The information on the CD is burned in and can't be changed.
>
> Gerry-
>
> Read the whole thread; the answer is in it.

I have and didn't see where he can add information to a burned CD.
From: AV3 on 24 May 2010 22:24
On May/24/2010 9:1956 PM, Gerry wrote:
> In article<htf82b$una$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> John McWilliams<jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Gerry wrote:
>>> In article<htertd$i3b$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
>>> AV3<arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As I said in the original message, an anonymous CD on my desktop
>>>> requires me to open iTunes to identify it. I often keep music CD's in
>>>> the computer over several days, so after some absence I may forget which
>>>> is there. Also, I often play sets of CD's, and it is convenient to know
>>>> if it is, ex., "Disk 3 of 4," as I always add such information to CD
>>>> names. And I correct spelling and information errors on track names,
>>>> both on the CD itself as well as in iTunes. No apologies for being anal
>>>> in this newsgroup.
>>>
>>> How can you possibly change the information on the CD?
>>>
>>> The information on the CD is burned in and can't be changed.
>>
>> Gerry-
>>
>> Read the whole thread; the answer is in it.
>
> I have and didn't see where he can add information to a burned CD.


Right again. I am complaining about how the latest version of
MacOS10.6.3 displays information garnered from iTunes/Gracenote to icons
of old CD's, unlike the display capability of earlier versions. I think
this amounts to a defect, if not a bug, since 10.6.3 introduces an
unnecessary distinction between new and old CD's, which were not
previously so distinguished. Incidentally, the newest CD to display this
discrimination dates from the year 2003, containing music from a 1950
recording.


I accuse no one of inadequate reading capability: it must be my unclear
explication of my problem. So for the record, iTunes/Gracenote does not
read the disk itself, it only recognizes a disk previously identified. I
have myself provided Gracenote with such information on disks it hasn't
recognized when I first inserted them.


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