From: Al2009 on 4 Nov 2009 01:23 In case someone is interested, here is some data of conjugacy classes of S_6, In S_6, * the class of (a,b) has 15 elements, * the class of (a,b)(c,d) has 45 elements, * the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) has 15 elements, * the class of (a,b,c) has 40 elements, * the class of (a,b,c)(d,e,f) has 40 elements * the class of (a,b,c,d) has 90 elements * the class of (a,b,c,d)(e,f) has 90 elements * the class of (a,b,c,d,e) has 144 elements * the class of (a,b,c,d,e,f) has 120 elements I got this data from http://at.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/bbqa?forum=ask_an_algebraist;task=show_msg;msg=3017.0001.0001.0001 Notice that the class of (a,b) and the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) have same 15 elements, and an automorphism takes a transposition to a product of three disjoint transpostions (order two element--->order two element).
From: Arturo Magidin on 4 Nov 2009 12:30 On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Al2009 <algebra_whate...(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: > In case someone is interested, here is some data of conjugacy classes of S_6, > > In S_6, > > * the class of (a,b) has 15 elements, > * the class of (a,b)(c,d) has 45 elements, > * the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) has 15 elements, > * the class of (a,b,c) has 40 elements, > * the class of (a,b,c)(d,e,f) has 40 elements > * the class of (a,b,c,d) has 90 elements > * the class of (a,b,c,d)(e,f) has 90 elements > * the class of (a,b,c,d,e) has 144 elements > * the class of (a,b,c,d,e,f) has 120 elements > > I got this data fromhttp://at.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/bbqa?forum=ask_an_algebraist;task=show_msg... > > Notice that the class of (a,b) and the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) have same 15 elements, and an automorphism takes a transposition to a product of three disjoint transpostions (order two element--->order two element). Notice that you are (yet again!) being horribly careless. No, it's not true that "an automorphism takes a tranposition to a product of three disjoint transpositions". For example, *none* of the inner automorphisms do that. What is true is that an automorphism *must* send the class of a transposition to some conjugacy class that has (i) the same number of elements; and (ii) the orders of the elements of that conjugacy class is equal to the orders of the elements of the original. Now, in the case of S_6, you have three conjugacy classes of elements of order 2: the transpositions, the products of two disjoint transpositions, and the products of three disjoint transpositions. So an automorphism of S_6 must permute these three conjugacy classes. Since the class of products of two disjoint transpositions has a different number of elements from the other two, that class must be fixed by any automorphism (as a set). So an automorphism of S_6 *either* sends transpositions to transpositions, or else it sends each transposition to a product of three disjoint tranpositions (and any product of three disjoint transpositions to a transposition). The latter would necessarily be a non-inner automorphism. This observation, by itself, does *not* establish that any automorphism that sends tranpositions to transpositions must be inner (that's what the Lemma from Rotman's book does); *nor* does it establish that there *is* a non-inner automorphism (or how many there are). It only leaves the possiblity open. This possibility does not exist in any other S_n because there is no conjugacy class of elements of order 2 that has the same number of elements as the conjugacy class of tranpositions. So at this point, you have not established *anything*, let alone the *false* statement that "an automorphism takes a transposition to a product of three disjoint transpostions." -- Arturo Magidin
From: Arturo Magidin on 4 Nov 2009 13:15 On Nov 3, 3:05 pm, Al2009 <algebra_whate...(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: > I am trying to understand some automorphism groups of symmetric groups. Oh, what the hell; I need to kill 10 minutes before lunch.... First: let G be a group; two elements x and y are "conjugate" if and only if there exists g in G such that gxg^{-1} = y. It is easy to check that being conjugate is an equivalence relation on G, so that it induces a partition of G into equivalence classes, called "conjugacy classes." If G is a group, and x is conjugate to y, then the order of x is the same as the order of y: for (gxg^{-1})^n = gx^ng^{-1}. If G is a group, and f:G-->G is an automorphism, then x is conjugate to y if and only if f(x) is conjugate to f(y): for if gxg^{-1}=y, then f(g)f(x)f(g)^{-1}=f(y), so f(x) is conjugate to f(y). Applying the argument to f(x) and f(y) using f^{-1}:G-->G gives the converse. Thus, an automorphism of a group must permute the conjugacy classes of G (as sets). Second: The conjugacy classes of S_n are determined by their disjoint cycle structure. This follows because if sigma=(a_1,...,a_r) is a cycle, and tau is a permutation, then tau*sigma*tau^{-1} = (tau(a_1),...,tau(a_r)) (we compose permutations right to left, so tau*sigma means "do sigma first, then do tau"). If n=1, then S_1 is trivial, so Aut(S_1) is trivial. If n= 2, then S_2 = C_2, so Aut(S_2) is trivial. Assume n>2. We know that S_n is generated by the transpositions (permutations of the form (i,j), with i=/=j). Thus, an automorphism of S_n is completely determined by what it does to the transpositions. So, let n>2, let f be an automorphism of S_n, and let us try to figure out what kind of permutation f(i,j) can be. Since f maps conjugacy classes to conjugacy classes, the image of (i,j) will have the same disjoint cycle structure as the image of (r,s), for any i=/=j and any r=/=s. Moreover, the image of (i,j) must be of order 2, so f(i,j) will necessarily be an element of order 2; the only elements of order 2 in S_n are the products of disjoint transpositions. So there exists a k (that depends only on f) such that f(i,j) is a product of k disjoint transpositions. How many elements in S_n are the product of k disjoint tranpositions? We must select 2 elements out of n for the first transposition; then 2 elements out of the remaining n-2; then 2 out of the remaining n-4;... and finally 2 out of the remaining (n-2k+2). But the order in which we select the pairs is irrelevant, so there are k! ways in which we can pick the pairs. Thus, the total number of elements of S_n that are the product of k disjoint transpositions is (n choose 2)*(n-2 choose 2)* .... * (n-2k+2 choose 2)/k! (if 2k>n, then one of the choice coefficients will be equal to 0, so you get 0 for the product, which is correct). That means that if f maps a transposition to a product of k disjoint transpositions, then we must have that (n choose 2) = (n choose 2)*(n-2 choose 2)* .... * (n-2k+2 choose 2)/ k! If k=1, you have a solution. So assume k>1. Then the equation is equivalent to 1 = (n-2 choose 2)* .... * (n-2k+2 choose 2)/k!, or that k! = (n-2 choose 2)* .... * (n-2k+2 choose 2). which gives 2^{k-1}*k! = (n-2)(n-3)(n-4)...(n-2k+2)(n-2k+1). Since 2^{k-1}k! is positive, we must have 2k<=n. So (n-2)(n-3)...(n-2k+1) >= (2k-2)(2k-3)...(2k-2k+1) = (2k-2)!. Now, if k>=4, then (2k-2)! > 2^{k-1}k!: this holds for k=2; and if it holds for k, then (2(k+1)-2)! = (2k)! = 2k(2k-1)(2k-2)!>2k(2k-1)2^{k-1} k! = 2^k(2k-1)k! > 2^k(k+1)(k!) = 2^k(k+1)!. Thus, for k>=4, we cannot have 2^{k-1}*k! = (n-2)(n-3)(n-4)...(n-2k+2)(n-2k+1). So any solutions with k>1 will necessarily be k=2 or k=3. k=2 gives 4 = (n-2)(n-3), or n^2 - 5n+6 = 4, or n^2-5n+2 = 0. This has no integer solutions, so there is no solution with k=2. If k=3, we get 24 = (n-2)(n-3)(n-4)(n-5). If n>6, then the right hand side is greater than 4! = 24. So the only possible solution is n=6, k=3. Thus: if n>2 and n=/=6, then the only conjugacy class of elements of order 2 of S_n that has the same number of elements as the class of the transpositions is the class of the transpositions itself. Therefore, if n>2 and n=/=6, then any automorphism must send transpositions to transpositions. If n=6, then there are two conjugacy classes of elements of order 2 that have the same number of elements: the class of the transpositions, and the class of the products of three disjoint transpositions. Thus, an automorphism of S_6 will *either* send transpositions to transpositions, or will send transpositions to products of three disjoint transpositions, we don't know which. We have not established that there is an automorphism of S_6 that does the latter; only that there *could* be an automorphism of S_6 that does not send transpositions to transpositions. This is the *only* value of n for which this *could* happen. -- Arturo Magidin
From: Herman Jurjus on 4 Nov 2009 14:14 Arturo Magidin wrote: > On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Al2009 <algebra_whate...(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: >> In case someone is interested, here is some data of conjugacy classes of S_6, >> >> In S_6, >> >> * the class of (a,b) has 15 elements, >> * the class of (a,b)(c,d) has 45 elements, >> * the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) has 15 elements, >> * the class of (a,b,c) has 40 elements, >> * the class of (a,b,c)(d,e,f) has 40 elements >> * the class of (a,b,c,d) has 90 elements >> * the class of (a,b,c,d)(e,f) has 90 elements >> * the class of (a,b,c,d,e) has 144 elements >> * the class of (a,b,c,d,e,f) has 120 elements >> >> I got this data fromhttp://at.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/bbqa?forum=ask_an_algebraist;task=show_msg... >> >> Notice that the class of (a,b) and the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) have same 15 elements, and an automorphism takes a transposition to a product of three disjoint transpostions (order two element--->order two element). > > Notice that you are (yet again!) being horribly careless. > > No, it's not true that "an automorphism takes a tranposition to a > product of three disjoint transpositions". For example, *none* of the > inner automorphisms do that. > > What is true is that an automorphism *must* send the class of a > transposition to some conjugacy class that has (i) the same number of > elements; and (ii) the orders of the elements of that conjugacy class > is equal to the orders of the elements of the original. > > Now, in the case of S_6, you have three conjugacy classes of elements > of order 2: the transpositions, the products of two disjoint > transpositions, and the products of three disjoint transpositions. So > an automorphism of S_6 must permute these three conjugacy classes. > > Since the class of products of two disjoint transpositions has a > different number of elements from the other two, that class must be > fixed by any automorphism (as a set). So an automorphism of S_6 > *either* sends transpositions to transpositions, or else it sends each > transposition to a product of three disjoint tranpositions (and any > product of three disjoint transpositions to a transposition). The > latter would necessarily be a non-inner automorphism. > > This observation, by itself, does *not* establish that any > automorphism that sends tranpositions to transpositions must be inner > (that's what the Lemma from Rotman's book does); *nor* does it > establish that there *is* a non-inner automorphism (or how many there > are). It only leaves the possiblity open. This possibility does not > exist in any other S_n because there is no conjugacy class of elements > of order 2 that has the same number of elements as the conjugacy class > of tranpositions. > > So at this point, you have not established *anything*, let alone the > *false* statement that "an automorphism takes a transposition to a > product of three disjoint transpostions." What one -can- immediately conclude from this is that (if Aut(S_6) is different from Int(S_6), then) the index of Int(S_6) in Aut(S_6) is 2. Because any non-inner automorphism must also map the (12)(34)(56) conjugacy class to that of (12). So the composition of the automorphism with itself maps transpositions to transpositions. (BTW, Rotman's lemma is rather trivial, not? By composition with inner automorphisms, we can easily see, first that, without loss of generalization, we can assume that f((12)) = (12), then in a similar way that f((23)) = (23), and so on, up to f((56)) = (56), and we know that S_6 is generated by these elements.) It's also not soooo terribly difficult to come up with a non-inner automorphism. If we define: f((12)) = (12)(34)(56) f((23)) = (23)(45)(61) f((34)) = (13)(24)(56) f((45)) = (16)(25)(34) f((56)) = (14)(23)(56) Then we can easily check that (to put it a bit loosely) all elements that should commute do commute, and relations of the form "order(ab) = 3" hold where they should hold. Now note that S_6 can be characterized as a group generated by five elements of order two plus these relations, and the rest is easy. But this is not why i post. Here comes my question. It is claimed not only that Aut(S_6) / Int(S_6) = C_2, but moreover that Aut(S_6) = Int(S_6) x C_2. That implies (correct me if i'm wrong) that there exists one very special non-inner automorphism, namely one (and no more than one) that commutes with all inner automorphisms. And that 'smells' like there is a very natural construction of this single, very special non-inner automorphism. Perhaps something involving cube, tetraeder, or some other regular polyeder, or so? Anyone got any ideas on that? (Of course, it can also be that Aut(S_6) is not this direct product at all, and that the OP (or his source) is simply wrong about this.) -- Cheers, Herman Jurjus
From: Arturo Magidin on 4 Nov 2009 14:29 On Nov 4, 1:14 pm, Herman Jurjus <hjm...(a)hetnet.nl> wrote: > Arturo Magidin wrote: > > On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Al2009 <algebra_whate...(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: > >> In case someone is interested, here is some data of conjugacy classes of S_6, > > >> In S_6, > > >> * the class of (a,b) has 15 elements, > >> * the class of (a,b)(c,d) has 45 elements, > >> * the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) has 15 elements, > >> * the class of (a,b,c) has 40 elements, > >> * the class of (a,b,c)(d,e,f) has 40 elements > >> * the class of (a,b,c,d) has 90 elements > >> * the class of (a,b,c,d)(e,f) has 90 elements > >> * the class of (a,b,c,d,e) has 144 elements > >> * the class of (a,b,c,d,e,f) has 120 elements > > >> I got this data fromhttp://at.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/bbqa?forum=ask_an_algebraist;task=show_msg... > > >> Notice that the class of (a,b) and the class of (a,b)(c,d)(e,f) have same 15 elements, and an automorphism takes a transposition to a product of three disjoint transpostions (order two element--->order two element). > > > Notice that you are (yet again!) being horribly careless. > > > No, it's not true that "an automorphism takes a tranposition to a > > product of three disjoint transpositions". For example, *none* of the > > inner automorphisms do that. > > > What is true is that an automorphism *must* send the class of a > > transposition to some conjugacy class that has (i) the same number of > > elements; and (ii) the orders of the elements of that conjugacy class > > is equal to the orders of the elements of the original. > > > Now, in the case of S_6, you have three conjugacy classes of elements > > of order 2: the transpositions, the products of two disjoint > > transpositions, and the products of three disjoint transpositions. So > > an automorphism of S_6 must permute these three conjugacy classes. > > > Since the class of products of two disjoint transpositions has a > > different number of elements from the other two, that class must be > > fixed by any automorphism (as a set). So an automorphism of S_6 > > *either* sends transpositions to transpositions, or else it sends each > > transposition to a product of three disjoint tranpositions (and any > > product of three disjoint transpositions to a transposition). The > > latter would necessarily be a non-inner automorphism. > > > This observation, by itself, does *not* establish that any > > automorphism that sends tranpositions to transpositions must be inner > > (that's what the Lemma from Rotman's book does); *nor* does it > > establish that there *is* a non-inner automorphism (or how many there > > are). It only leaves the possiblity open. This possibility does not > > exist in any other S_n because there is no conjugacy class of elements > > of order 2 that has the same number of elements as the conjugacy class > > of tranpositions. > > > So at this point, you have not established *anything*, let alone the > > *false* statement that "an automorphism takes a transposition to a > > product of three disjoint transpostions." > > What one -can- immediately conclude from this is that (if Aut(S_6) is > different from Int(S_6), then) the index of Int(S_6) in Aut(S_6) is 2. > Because any non-inner automorphism must also map the (12)(34)(56) > conjugacy class to that of (12). So the composition of the automorphism > with itself maps transpositions to transpositions. > > (BTW, Rotman's lemma is rather trivial, not? > By composition with inner automorphisms, we can easily see, first that, > without loss of generalization, we can assume that f((12)) = (12), then > in a similar way that f((23)) = (23), and so on, up to f((56)) = (56), > and we know that S_6 is generated by these elements.) And that would be the proof that Rotman gives... > It's also not soooo terribly difficult to come up with a non-inner > automorphism. If we define: > f((12)) = (12)(34)(56) > f((23)) = (23)(45)(61) > f((34)) = (13)(24)(56) > f((45)) = (16)(25)(34) > f((56)) = (14)(23)(56) > Then we can easily check that (to put it a bit loosely) all elements > that should commute do commute, and relations of the form "order(ab) = > 3" hold where they should hold. > Now note that S_6 can be characterized as a group generated by five > elements of order two plus these relations, and the rest is easy. > > But this is not why i post. > Here comes my question. > > It is claimed not only that Aut(S_6) / Int(S_6) = C_2, but moreover that > Aut(S_6) = Int(S_6) x C_2. No: it's not a direct product, but a semidirect product; the action of C_2 on Inn(S_6) is not trivial. > That implies (correct me if i'm wrong) that there exists one very > special non-inner automorphism, namely one (and no more than one) that > commutes with all inner automorphisms. Rather, it means that there is a non-inner automorphism that is of order 2, so that the projection Aut(S_6) --> Aut(S_6)/Inn(S_6) splits. > And that 'smells' like there is a very natural construction of this > single, very special non-inner automorphism. Perhaps something involving > cube, tetraeder, or some other regular polyeder, or so? > Anyone got any ideas on that? > > (Of course, it can also be that Aut(S_6) is not this direct product at > all, and that the OP (or his source) is simply wrong about this.) The OP correctly quoted his source (for a change!) saying that Aut (S_6) = S_6\semidirect C_2. -- Arturo Magidin
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