BBC News Q&A: Professor Phil Jones
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From: Peter Webb on 13 Feb 2010 02:00 "Chris L Peterson" <clp(a)alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:eiecn5dl7h95g02i3f73e7pnoffrnslaat(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:58:38 +1100, "Peter Webb" > <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>This is a series of Q&As with Phil Jones, who is the embattled head of the >>CRU. Here is some of what he believes about AGW, according to his written >>response to questions put to him: >> >>1. The temperature increased from 1975 to 2009 at a slower rate than it >>did >>1860 - 1880, when anthropogenic CO2 was miniscule, and at about the same >>rate as from 1910 to 1940. > > He didn't say that. He said that the data quality from 1860-1880 was of > poorer quality than later data, and that his opinion is that the > temperature trends over the four short periods in question "are similar > and not statistically significantly different from each other". Yes, he did say they were comparable, and actually provided the warming figures for the various periods which show a greater warming rate 1860 to 1880 than from 1975 to 2009. These were his figures, freely given, in writing, and included in full in the article. > >>2. There has been no statistically significant global warming since 1995. > > He said that this is true if you treat "statistically significant" as > meaning a 95% confidence level. He did say there was a positive trend > that was close to this level, and that the period was short enough that > getting a statistically significant trend is difficult. > Yeah. No statistically significant warming since 1995. That is what he said. Of course, he is only the head of the CRU, what would he know about statistical significance? >>3. The earth has cooled at the rate of 0.12 degrees/decade since 2002. > > He specifically said that this even shorter time interval is too short > for any trend to have statistical significance. > He stated his belief that the earth has cooled since 2002 at a rate of 0.12deg/decade. Lots of other AGW believers are telling us the earth is still warming. Indeed, skpetics who say otherwise are roundly condemned and (often) accused of being in the employ of cigarette companies (and no, I don't understand the connection either). According to the head of the CRU the earth has cooled over the last 7 years. So now we know. >>4. He is certain the earth has warmed, but not certain it has anything to >>do >>with people, where he says only "there's evidence that most of the warming >>since the 1950s is due to human activity". > > He said that this question was outside his area of expertise, but that > he agreed with the IPCC conclusion you quote above. No, he doesn't say that at all. Again, you are living in some alternate reality. Again, you snipped the original, so nobody can check. If anybody wants to see what Phil Jones actually said, which is as I quote above (and not what Peterson wishes he said), the link that Peterson carefully removed is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm Unfortunately, in this Universe I can see no evidence that Jones said what Peterson claims he did about anthropogenic global warming anywhere at all; it probably only exists in Peterson's alternate reality universe. > That's what nearly > all scientists say. > Phil Jones does not say the sorts of things that other scientists say. For example, most scientists don't hide behind legal defences to suppress the publishing of raw data, suggest that scientific records be destroyed, that incorrect and incomplete data be deliberately disseminated, or that email records be destroyed in case they become public. _________________________________________________ > > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Phil Jones, head of the East Anglia CRU, says about global warming. Like him, I believe there have been three previous periods in the last 200 years when global temperatures have risen as fast as they have since 1975, despite the contribution of anthropogenic CO2 being miniscule at these times. Like him, I believe the earth has cooled since 2002. Like him, I believe that there has been no statistically significant warming since 1995. Like him, I am not personally convinced that man is responsible. Hey Peterson, you should launch into an ad-hominem argument against Phil Jones, head of the CRU! ROFL
From: Sam Wormley on 13 Feb 2010 02:06 On 2/13/10 1:00 AM, Peter Webb wrote: > > I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Phil Jones, head of the East > Anglia CRU, says about global warming. > > Like him, I believe there have been three previous periods in the last > 200 years when global temperatures have risen as fast as they have since > 1975, despite the contribution of anthropogenic CO2 being miniscule at > these times. > > Like him, I believe the earth has cooled since 2002. Climatologists use 30 year averages. > > Like him, I believe that there has been no statistically significant > warming since 1995. This last decade has been the warmest on record for 150 years.
From: Peter Webb on 13 Feb 2010 02:15 "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:X7SdneS77Kzg0uvWnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d(a)mchsi.com... > On 2/13/10 1:00 AM, Peter Webb wrote: >> >> I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Phil Jones, head of the East >> Anglia CRU, says about global warming. >> >> Like him, I believe there have been three previous periods in the last >> 200 years when global temperatures have risen as fast as they have since >> 1975, despite the contribution of anthropogenic CO2 being miniscule at >> these times. >> >> Like him, I believe the earth has cooled since 2002. > > Climatologists use 30 year averages. > >> >> Like him, I believe that there has been no statistically significant >> warming since 1995. > > This last decade has been the warmest on record for 150 years. > Dunno about that. I don't even know why people use the expression the "warmest [decade] on record for 150 years". Are their any decades *not* on record in the last 150 years? Which ones? But the good news according to the head of the CRU is the earth has cooled since 2002. Or maybe that's not good news. The earth seemed to function just fine in 2002. I am not sure that getting cooler is in fact an advantage. But if it was to stop cooling and stay the same temperature for a while, we might not have to build any more windmills!
From: Giga2 on 13 Feb 2010 03:38 On Feb 13, 12:57 am, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Talk about a come to Jesus/Moses/Mohamed/Gautama/Gaia moment. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm > > --Mike Jr. This is what I would call a scientific view of CC with some bias towards AGW. Phil Jones seems to really look at the evidence as it stands with a fairly clear eye. Such a position is the required starting point for resolving some of the issues around CC. Good for him.
From: Mike Jr on 13 Feb 2010 08:03
On Feb 13, 2:06 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/13/10 1:00 AM, Peter Webb wrote: > > > > > I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Phil Jones, head of the East > > Anglia CRU, says about global warming. > > > Like him, I believe there have been three previous periods in the last > > 200 years when global temperatures have risen as fast as they have since > > 1975, despite the contribution of anthropogenic CO2 being miniscule at > > these times. > > > Like him, I believe the earth has cooled since 2002. > > Climatologists use 30 year averages. > > > > > Like him, I believe that there has been no statistically significant > > warming since 1995. > > This last decade has been the warmest on record for 150 years. Based on fraudulent data. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/11/giss-adjustments-in-australia/ --Mike Jr. |