Ballistic theory of light demolished
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From: Androcles on 29 Jul 2010 19:28 "Uncle Ben" <ben(a)greenba.com> wrote in message news:b0d14a0b-c607-461c-8348-05d5fa353170(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On Jul 29, 6:19 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> > wrote: > >There are those saying that the speed of light depends on the speed of > >the source. This explains the MMX experiment neatly, but the theory > >has now been refuted experimentally. > > >Let the speed of light emitted by a source moving at speed v be c + > >kv, where k is to be determined experimentally. The theory propounded > >by Androcles, NoEinstein and others in this newsgroup implies that > >k=1. Einstein proposed that k=0. > > >The following account is copied from the collection of experimental > >papers on SR at > > >http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#... > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------�------------------- > >Operation of FLASH, a free-electron laser,http://vuv-fel.desy.de/. > > >A free-electron laser generates highly collimated X-rays parallel to > >the relativistic electron beam that is their source. If the region > >that generates the X-rays is L meters long, and the speed of light > >emitted from the moving electrons is c+kv (here v is essentially c), > >then at the downstream end of that region the minimum pulse width is > >k(L/c)/(1+k), because light emitted at the beginning arrives before > >light emitted at the downstream end. For FLASH, L=30 meters, > >v=0.9999997 c (700 MeV), and the observed X-ray pulse width is as > >short as 25 fs. This puts an upper limit on k of 2.5�10-7. Optical > >extinction is not present, as the entire process occurs in very high > >vacuum. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------- > > >k <= 0.00000025 > > >Einstein wins decisively. > > >Uncle Ben > > Pathetic....as usual. > > The X-rays are emitted when the electrons interact with occasional gas > molecules.....whose v>>0 wrt the apparatus frame. > > Henry Wilson... > Nope. It is a very high vacuum. No extinction. ================================ Nope. Bunched electrons interact with an optical laser. Pathetic....as usual.
From: Henry Wilson DSc on 29 Jul 2010 19:45 On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <ben(a)greenba.com> wrote: >On Jul 29, 6:19�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: >> >There are those saying that the speed of light depends on the speed of >> >the source. �This explains the MMX experiment neatly, but the theory >> >has now been refuted experimentally. >> >> >Let the speed of light emitted by a source moving at speed v be c + >> >kv, where k is to be determined experimentally. �The theory propounded >> >by Androcles, NoEinstein and others in this newsgroup implies that >> >k=1. �Einstein proposed that k=0. >> >> >The following �account is copied from the collection of experimental >> >papers on SR at >> >> >http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#... >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------�------------------- >> >Operation of FLASH, a free-electron laser,http://vuv-fel.desy.de/. >> >> >A free-electron laser generates highly collimated X-rays parallel to >> >the relativistic electron beam that is their source. If the region >> >that generates the X-rays is L meters long, and the speed of light >> >emitted from the moving electrons is c+kv (here v is essentially c), >> >then at the downstream end of that region the minimum pulse width is >> >k(L/c)/(1+k), because light emitted at the beginning arrives before >> >light emitted at the downstream end. For FLASH, L=30 meters, >> >v=0.9999997 c (700 MeV), and the observed X-ray pulse width is as >> >short as 25 fs. This puts an upper limit on k of 2.5�10-7. Optical >> >extinction is not present, as the entire process occurs in very high >> >vacuum. >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------- >> >> >k <= 0.00000025 >> >> >Einstein wins decisively. >> >> >Uncle Ben >> >> Pathetic....as usual. >> >> The X-rays are emitted when the electrons interact with occasional gas >> molecules.....whose v>>0 wrt the apparatus frame. >> >> Henry Wilson... >> >Nope. It is a very high vacuum. No extinction. Pathetic, as usual. The vacuum might be high enough to avoid extinction but it is not high enough to prevent the occasional interaction. > >Uncle Ben Henry Wilson... ........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.
From: Tom Roberts on 30 Jul 2010 09:59 Henry Wilson DSc wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <ben(a)greenba.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 29, 6:19 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: >>>> There are those saying that the speed of light depends on the speed of >>>> the source. This explains the MMX experiment neatly, but the theory >>>> has now been refuted experimentally. >>>> Let the speed of light emitted by a source moving at speed v be c + >>>> kv, where k is to be determined experimentally. The theory propounded >>>> by Androcles, NoEinstein and others in this newsgroup implies that >>>> k=1. Einstein proposed that k=0. >>>> The following account is copied from the collection of experimental >>>> papers on SR at >>>> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#... >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------�------------------- >>>> Operation of FLASH, a free-electron laser,http://vuv-fel.desy.de/. >>>> A free-electron laser generates highly collimated X-rays parallel to >>>> the relativistic electron beam that is their source. If the region >>>> that generates the X-rays is L meters long, and the speed of light >>>> emitted from the moving electrons is c+kv (here v is essentially c), >>>> then at the downstream end of that region the minimum pulse width is >>>> k(L/c)/(1+k), because light emitted at the beginning arrives before >>>> light emitted at the downstream end. For FLASH, L=30 meters, >>>> v=0.9999997 c (700 MeV), and the observed X-ray pulse width is as >>>> short as 25 fs. This puts an upper limit on k of 2.5�10-7. Optical >>>> extinction is not present, as the entire process occurs in very high >>>> vacuum. >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------- >>>> k <= 0.00000025 >>>> Einstein wins decisively. >>>> Uncle Ben >>> Pathetic....as usual. >>> >>> The X-rays are emitted when the electrons interact with occasional gas >>> molecules.....whose v>>0 wrt the apparatus frame. >>> >>> Henry Wilson... >>> >> Nope. It is a very high vacuum. No extinction. > > Pathetic, as usual. > > The vacuum might be high enough to avoid extinction but it is not high enough > to prevent the occasional interaction. Such "occasional interactions" do indeed occur, but do not account for this: the rest of the accelerator has SIMILAR (VERY LOW) DENSITIES OF GAS, but the coherent x-rays are emitted ONLY when the beam is in the magnetic wiggler. Beam-gas interactions cannot possibly account for this. Tom Roberts
From: Androcles on 30 Jul 2010 10:10 "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts137(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:bKSdnck9D8tCR8_RRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... | Henry Wilson DSc wrote: | > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <ben(a)greenba.com> wrote: | > | >> On Jul 29, 6:19 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: | >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: | >>>> There are those saying that the speed of light depends on the speed of | >>>> the source. This explains the MMX experiment neatly, but the theory | >>>> has now been refuted experimentally. | >>>> Let the speed of light emitted by a source moving at speed v be c + | >>>> kv, where k is to be determined experimentally. The theory propounded | >>>> by Androcles, NoEinstein and others in this newsgroup implies that | >>>> k=1. Einstein proposed that k=0. | >>>> The following account is copied from the collection of experimental | >>>> papers on SR at | >>>> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#... | >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------�------------------- | >>>> Operation of FLASH, a free-electron laser,http://vuv-fel.desy.de/. | >>>> A free-electron laser generates highly collimated X-rays parallel to | >>>> the relativistic electron beam that is their source. If the region | >>>> that generates the X-rays is L meters long, and the speed of light | >>>> emitted from the moving electrons is c+kv (here v is essentially c), | >>>> then at the downstream end of that region the minimum pulse width is | >>>> k(L/c)/(1+k), because light emitted at the beginning arrives before | >>>> light emitted at the downstream end. For FLASH, L=30 meters, | >>>> v=0.9999997 c (700 MeV), and the observed X-ray pulse width is as | >>>> short as 25 fs. This puts an upper limit on k of 2.5�10-7. Optical | >>>> extinction is not present, as the entire process occurs in very high | >>>> vacuum. | >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------�-------------- | >>>> k <= 0.00000025 | >>>> Einstein wins decisively. | >>>> Uncle Ben | >>> Pathetic....as usual. | >>> | >>> The X-rays are emitted when the electrons interact with occasional gas | >>> molecules.....whose v>>0 wrt the apparatus frame. | >>> | >>> Henry Wilson... | >>> | >> Nope. It is a very high vacuum. No extinction. | > | > Pathetic, as usual. | > | > The vacuum might be high enough to avoid extinction but it is not high enough | > to prevent the occasional interaction. | | Such "occasional interactions" do indeed occur, but do not account for this: the | rest of the accelerator has SIMILAR (VERY LOW) DENSITIES OF GAS, but the | coherent x-rays are emitted ONLY when the beam is in the magnetic wiggler. | Beam-gas interactions cannot possibly account for this. | | | Tom Roberts The X-rays are emitted when the electrons interact. What they interact with is irrelevant, other than being at rest. Hence there is no suggestion that electrons emit x-rays. Besides which, when did you ever measure the speed of x-rays? As usual, you conclude what you assumed in the first place, typical relativist idiots circularity.
From: harald on 30 Jul 2010 10:39
On Jul 30, 12:32 am, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:31:43 -0700 (PDT), harald <h...(a)swissonline.ch> wrote: > >On Jul 29, 6:46 am, Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: > >> There are those saying that the speed of light depends on the speed of > >> the source. This explains the MMX experiment neatly, but the theory > >> has now been refuted experimentally. > > >It was already discredited (or, "refuted", but that's in the eyes of > >the beholder) in the 19th century with the experiments of Fizeau on > >"Fresnel drag". > > It wasn't. The phase shift at each interaction with an atom is still an unknown > quantity and was not taken into account. It is known and taken into account and you can read about that in any good optics book. Or read a modern paper, such as (on my "to do list"): http://pra.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v68/i6/e063819 . > Without such knowledge, BaTh currently > has NO precise theory about 'Fresnel Drag'. > > On the other hand, Fizeau clearly refutes SR. > > http://renshaw.teleinc.com/papers/fizeau4b/fizeau4b.stm He made errors with the Doppler effect (that often happens). Harald > >> Let the speed of light emitted by a source moving at speed v be c + > >> kv, where k is to be determined experimentally. The theory propounded > >> by Androcles, NoEinstein and others in this newsgroup implies that > >> k=1. Einstein proposed that k=0. > > >> The following account is copied from the collection of experimental > >> papers on SR at > > >>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#.... > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Operation of FLASH, a free-electron laser,http://vuv-fel.desy.de/. > > >> A free-electron laser generates highly collimated X-rays parallel to > >> the relativistic electron beam that is their source. If the region > >> that generates the X-rays is L meters long, and the speed of light > >> emitted from the moving electrons is c+kv (here v is essentially c), > >> then at the downstream end of that region the minimum pulse width is > >> k(L/c)/(1+k), because light emitted at the beginning arrives before > >> light emitted at the downstream end. For FLASH, L=30 meters, > >> v=0.9999997 c (700 MeV), and the observed X-ray pulse width is as > >> short as 25 fs. This puts an upper limit on k of 2.5×10-7. Optical > >> extinction is not present, as the entire process occurs in very high > >> vacuum. > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> k <= 0.00000025 > > >> Einstein wins decisively. > > >> Uncle Ben > > Henry Wilson... > > .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space. |