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From: Daniel Prince on 25 Mar 2010 16:38 Who makes the best quality motherboards for AMD CPUs with all solid polymer capacitors? Which maker has the lowest number of defective motherboards and the lowest number of early failures? Which maker has the longest lasting motherboards? Which company has the best customer support? Are Gigabyte and ASUS the only companies that make motherboards for AMD with all solid polymer capacitors? How do they compare in terms of quality, longevity and customer support? Thank you in advance for all replies. -- Whenever I hear or think of the song "Great green gobs of greasy grimey gopher guts" I imagine my cat saying; "That sounds REALLY, REALLY good. I'll have some of that!"
From: RayLopez99 on 26 Mar 2010 05:52 On Mar 25, 10:38 pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > Are Gigabyte and ASUS the only companies that make motherboards for > AMD with all solid polymer capacitors? How do they compare in terms > of quality, longevity and customer support? Why the fixation with these capacitors? And is AMD still competitive in the PC race? RL
From: Daniel Prince on 26 Mar 2010 17:59 RayLopez99 <raylopez88(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Mar 25, 10:38�pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > >> Are Gigabyte and ASUS the only companies that make motherboards for >> AMD with all solid polymer capacitors? �How do they compare in terms >> of quality, longevity and customer support? > >Why the fixation with these capacitors? Because many electrolytic capacitors are counterfeit units made in Taiwan that often fail in less than a year. Even quality Japanese electrolytic capacitors are the most failure prone component in electronic devices. Solid polymer capacitors should last at least six times as long as electrolytic capacitors and they are not that much more expensive. >And is AMD still competitive in the PC race? That I am not sure about. -- I don't understand why they make gourmet cat foods. I have known many cats in my life and none of them were gourmets. They were all gourmands!
From: RayLopez99 on 26 Mar 2010 19:55 On Mar 26, 11:59 pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > RayLopez99 <raylope...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Mar 25, 10:38 pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > > >> Are Gigabyte and ASUS the only companies that make motherboards for > >> AMD with all solid polymer capacitors? How do they compare in terms > >> of quality, longevity and customer support? > > >Why the fixation with these capacitors? > > Because many electrolytic capacitors are counterfeit units made in > Taiwan that often fail in less than a year. Even quality Japanese > electrolytic capacitors are the most failure prone component in > electronic devices. Solid polymer capacitors should last at least > six times as long as electrolytic capacitors and they are not that > much more expensive. > Well that's interesting. I suppose this is not to be confused with "High K dielectric" in the semi manu process...let me Google this...nope, different concepts. Seems like solid polymer capacitors, from this 2007 article: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2113 are "high end" capacitors that are better than "normal". That's good to know, and though I've not had any problems with "normal" capacitors, I suppose if the price is right it's better to get the high end capacitors. As your original question, if logic holds, I would imagine that by definition the high end capacitors should be better, being the gold standard if not gold plated, no pun intended, so as ASUS (heard of them) and Gigabit (never heard of them) are presumably reputable companies, then you've answered your question--high end is better. I'll keep this in mind if I go mobo shopping. RL
From: Paul on 26 Mar 2010 20:31
RayLopez99 wrote: > On Mar 26, 11:59 pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: >> RayLopez99 <raylope...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mar 25, 10:38 pm, Daniel Prince <neutri...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: >>>> Are Gigabyte and ASUS the only companies that make motherboards for >>>> AMD with all solid polymer capacitors? How do they compare in terms >>>> of quality, longevity and customer support? >>> Why the fixation with these capacitors? >> Because many electrolytic capacitors are counterfeit units made in >> Taiwan that often fail in less than a year. Even quality Japanese >> electrolytic capacitors are the most failure prone component in >> electronic devices. Solid polymer capacitors should last at least >> six times as long as electrolytic capacitors and they are not that >> much more expensive. >> > > Well that's interesting. I suppose this is not to be confused with > "High K dielectric" in the semi manu process...let me Google > this...nope, different concepts. > > Seems like solid polymer capacitors, from this 2007 article: > http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2113 > are "high end" capacitors that are better than "normal". That's good > to know, and though I've not had any problems with "normal" > capacitors, I suppose if the price is right it's better to get the > high end capacitors. > > As your original question, if logic holds, I would imagine that by > definition the high end capacitors should be better, being the gold > standard if not gold plated, no pun intended, so as ASUS (heard of > them) and Gigabit (never heard of them) are presumably reputable > companies, then you've answered your question--high end is better. > I'll keep this in mind if I go mobo shopping. > > RL Polymer caps are a response to the "capacitor plague" of years back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague To fight the perception, that the motherboard makers might use defective caps, they started switching to solid polymer. The intent, is to disassociate the product from the capacitor plague, to put the customer's mind at ease. In fact, there is no dying need for polymer, but there you are. They're using them. Aluminum electrolytic capacitors can last 15 years at moderate temperatures. The wearout mechanism, is the rubber bung on the bottom dries out, and the electrolyte dries out as a result. Plague capacitors can fail in storage, and without bias, in a couple years. So, by comparison, the caps with the bad chemistry are rather sad, in terms of lifetime performance. They don't even need to be used, to fail. Another thing to note - some disreputable capacitor makers, have been putting aluminum electrolytic caps, in polymer packages. (Caps meant to look like polymer.) http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6176/saconfzcapsah7.jpg More pics for fun. http://forums.overclockersclub.com/lofiversion/index.php/t70624.html The only cap failures I've had here, were in an Antec power supply. All my motherboards are fine. Even a 10 year old board still runs. Paul |