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From: Phillip on 15 Feb 2010 16:08
Hey Lisa,
Did you ever creat a document that was protected and still allowed youto do what you needed? I am running into the same problem. We have a large number of documents with different formats that need to be cut and pasted into a new master doc. Once the info is pasted into the doc the user needs to be able to bold and also highlight some but not all of the text. If you have found a way to protect a doc and still allow limitted format editing I would appreciate it if you pass the info along. Unfortunatly I am not all that familuar with styles, xml or word programing so if you have a doc already made that I could edit It would also help.

Thanks
Phillip



Lis wrote:

Hi ShaunaThank you for your reply.
24-Sep-07

Hi Shauna

Thank you for your reply. I have considered creating character styles as you
suggest as a work around but I believe only one can be applied at a time and
I wanted to avoid creating lots of styles to cover the main ones which I
think people will use which is why I was looking at seeing if it's possible
to create a macro instead to tone down the protection. I've also noticed that
if some highlighted text is copied into the protected template you then
cannot turn the highlight off.

I have considered not having the protection on at all to solve the issue,
but the intended users will be copying information from documents using older
templates and although I intend to provide training it's a fair bet that some
people will just copy and paste and so new documents created from the
template will get contaminated with unwanted styles.

I like the idea of creating a custom toolbar. Is it possible to get the
toolbar to behave like the formatting one so that you can apply bold plus
italic rather than having to have a Bold Italic style?

Cheers
Lisa

"Shauna Kelly" wrote:

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:10 AM
Lis wrote:

Protect Document Styles Macro in Word 2003
Hi,

I've been creating a template in Word 2003 and I don't want people to alter
the styles I have set so I've used the Protect Document setting to limit
formatting to a selection of styles. However, I've noticed that this also
disables various buttons in the toolbar, in particular bold, italic,
underline as well as table formatting.

I've worked out how to create a macro to enable/disable the various styles
using ActiveDocument.Styles("Body").Locked = False but I would like to know
if it's possible to do something similar to allow the bold, italic etc.
buttons to be enabled whilst the rest of styles are protected?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lisa

On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:20 AM
Graham Mayor wrote:

I really don't know why you bother.
I really don't know why you bother. Give them the template and train them to
use it.

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Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
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Lisa wrote:

On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:20 AM
Shauna Kelly wrote:

Hi LisaI think the best approach is to create character styles called Bold and
Hi Lisa

I think the best approach is to create character styles called Bold and
Italic and Underline and whatever (or, use the built-in Strong and Emphasis
styles). And in your template re-map the ordinary Bold and Italic buttons so
they apply your chosen style (to do that, use Tools > Customize etc, create
a button to apply each of your styles, copy the images from the existing
buttons to the new ones, and then delete the old buttons).

You'll need to re-map ctrl-b, ctrl-i, ctrl-u etc, too.

Make sure that your customizations are saved in the template, not in your
normal.dot.

This gives users a consistent interface, but you can retain the protection
for styles.

You might also think about what paragraph settings you want to make
available to users. For example, it bothers me that if I protect a document
for styles, a user can't set a paragraph with "keep with next" or "page
break before". That encourages the really awful habit of inserting manual
page breaks which seriously lowers user productivity as well as having
unfortunate side effects.

Hope this helps.

Shauna Kelly. Microsoft MVP.
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word


"Lisa" <Lisa(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D79C26A7-231A-4A30-B02B-D3438C07F458(a)microsoft.com...

On Monday, September 24, 2007 12:02 PM
Lis wrote:

Hi ShaunaThank you for your reply.
Hi Shauna

Thank you for your reply. I have considered creating character styles as you
suggest as a work around but I believe only one can be applied at a time and
I wanted to avoid creating lots of styles to cover the main ones which I
think people will use which is why I was looking at seeing if it's possible
to create a macro instead to tone down the protection. I've also noticed that
if some highlighted text is copied into the protected template you then
cannot turn the highlight off.

I have considered not having the protection on at all to solve the issue,
but the intended users will be copying information from documents using older
templates and although I intend to provide training it's a fair bet that some
people will just copy and paste and so new documents created from the
template will get contaminated with unwanted styles.

I like the idea of creating a custom toolbar. Is it possible to get the
toolbar to behave like the formatting one so that you can apply bold plus
italic rather than having to have a Bold Italic style?

Cheers
Lisa

"Shauna Kelly" wrote:

On Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:01 AM
Jonathan West wrote:

Re: Protect Document Styles Macro in Word 2003
"Lisa" <Lisa(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1BA2DBE2-CE83-4434-B29F-D43CBB7FB6AB(a)microsoft.com...

If these are important to you, then in my opinion your only practical option
is to turn the protection off, and train the users to use the styles. You
can make it easier for them to remember to use the right styles by making
them more accessible. Take a look at this article for help in that
direction.

Creating Custom Toolbars for Templates
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=262


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From: Graham Mayor on 17 Feb 2010 04:21
Document protection and free editing do not go hand in hand. What is the
purpose of the protection in the document?

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<Phillip Ridgway> wrote in message news:201021516814ridgefactor(a)msn.com...
> Hey Lisa,
> Did you ever creat a document that was protected and still allowed youto
> do what you needed? I am running into the same problem. We have a large
> number of documents with different formats that need to be cut and pasted
> into a new master doc. Once the info is pasted into the doc the user
> needs to be able to bold and also highlight some but not all of the text.
> If you have found a way to protect a doc and still allow limitted format
> editing I would appreciate it if you pass the info along. Unfortunatly I
> am not all that familuar with styles, xml or word programing so if you
> have a doc already made that I could edit It would also help.
>
> Thanks
> Phillip
>
>
>
> Lis wrote:
>
> Hi ShaunaThank you for your reply.
> 24-Sep-07
>
> Hi Shauna
>
> Thank you for your reply. I have considered creating character styles as
> you
> suggest as a work around but I believe only one can be applied at a time
> and
> I wanted to avoid creating lots of styles to cover the main ones which I
> think people will use which is why I was looking at seeing if it's
> possible
> to create a macro instead to tone down the protection. I've also noticed
> that
> if some highlighted text is copied into the protected template you then
> cannot turn the highlight off.
>
> I have considered not having the protection on at all to solve the issue,
> but the intended users will be copying information from documents using
> older
> templates and although I intend to provide training it's a fair bet that
> some
> people will just copy and paste and so new documents created from the
> template will get contaminated with unwanted styles.
>
> I like the idea of creating a custom toolbar. Is it possible to get the
> toolbar to behave like the formatting one so that you can apply bold plus
> italic rather than having to have a Bold Italic style?
>
> Cheers
> Lisa
>
> "Shauna Kelly" wrote:
>
> Previous Posts In This Thread:
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:10 AM
> Lis wrote:
>
> Protect Document Styles Macro in Word 2003
> Hi,
>
> I've been creating a template in Word 2003 and I don't want people to
> alter
> the styles I have set so I've used the Protect Document setting to limit
> formatting to a selection of styles. However, I've noticed that this also
> disables various buttons in the toolbar, in particular bold, italic,
> underline as well as table formatting.
>
> I've worked out how to create a macro to enable/disable the various styles
> using ActiveDocument.Styles("Body").Locked = False but I would like to
> know
> if it's possible to do something similar to allow the bold, italic etc.
> buttons to be enabled whilst the rest of styles are protected?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lisa
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:20 AM
> Graham Mayor wrote:
>
> I really don't know why you bother.
> I really don't know why you bother. Give them the template and train them
> to
> use it.
>
> --
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> Graham Mayor - Word MVP
>
> My web site www.gmayor.com
> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
>
> Lisa wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2007 10:20 AM
> Shauna Kelly wrote:
>
> Hi LisaI think the best approach is to create character styles called Bold
> and
> Hi Lisa
>
> I think the best approach is to create character styles called Bold and
> Italic and Underline and whatever (or, use the built-in Strong and
> Emphasis
> styles). And in your template re-map the ordinary Bold and Italic buttons
> so
> they apply your chosen style (to do that, use Tools > Customize etc,
> create
> a button to apply each of your styles, copy the images from the existing
> buttons to the new ones, and then delete the old buttons).
>
> You'll need to re-map ctrl-b, ctrl-i, ctrl-u etc, too.
>
> Make sure that your customizations are saved in the template, not in your
> normal.dot.
>
> This gives users a consistent interface, but you can retain the protection
> for styles.
>
> You might also think about what paragraph settings you want to make
> available to users. For example, it bothers me that if I protect a
> document
> for styles, a user can't set a paragraph with "keep with next" or "page
> break before". That encourages the really awful habit of inserting manual
> page breaks which seriously lowers user productivity as well as having
> unfortunate side effects.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Shauna Kelly. Microsoft MVP.
> http://www.shaunakelly.com/word
>
>
> "Lisa" <Lisa(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D79C26A7-231A-4A30-B02B-D3438C07F458(a)microsoft.com...
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2007 12:02 PM
> Lis wrote:
>
> Hi ShaunaThank you for your reply.
> Hi Shauna
>
> Thank you for your reply. I have considered creating character styles as
> you
> suggest as a work around but I believe only one can be applied at a time
> and
> I wanted to avoid creating lots of styles to cover the main ones which I
> think people will use which is why I was looking at seeing if it's
> possible
> to create a macro instead to tone down the protection. I've also noticed
> that
> if some highlighted text is copied into the protected template you then
> cannot turn the highlight off.
>
> I have considered not having the protection on at all to solve the issue,
> but the intended users will be copying information from documents using
> older
> templates and although I intend to provide training it's a fair bet that
> some
> people will just copy and paste and so new documents created from the
> template will get contaminated with unwanted styles.
>
> I like the idea of creating a custom toolbar. Is it possible to get the
> toolbar to behave like the formatting one so that you can apply bold plus
> italic rather than having to have a Bold Italic style?
>
> Cheers
> Lisa
>
> "Shauna Kelly" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:01 AM
> Jonathan West wrote:
>
> Re: Protect Document Styles Macro in Word 2003
> "Lisa" <Lisa(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1BA2DBE2-CE83-4434-B29F-D43CBB7FB6AB(a)microsoft.com...
>
> If these are important to you, then in my opinion your only practical
> option
> is to turn the protection off, and train the users to use the styles. You
> can make it easier for them to remember to use the right styles by making
> them more accessible. Take a look at this article for help in that
> direction.
>
> Creating Custom Toolbars for Templates
> http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=262
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Jonathan West - Word MVP
> www.intelligentdocuments.co.uk
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
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