From: Alan Cox on
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:21:31 +0100
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka(a)web.de> wrote:

> I found no trace of this mysterious "pcl181" device, neither in-tree nor
> out there in the wild. At the same time, the in-tree CAPI middleware is
> using major 191 for many years now and obviously without any conflict.
> Let's officially claim this major number.

This is not the way it should have been done but whoever needs spanking
got away with it years ago. Given that this seems the best way forward.

With LANANA hat on

Acked-by: Alan Cox <alan(a)linux.intel.com>
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From: Marcel Holtmann on
Hi Alan,

> > I found no trace of this mysterious "pcl181" device, neither in-tree nor
> > out there in the wild. At the same time, the in-tree CAPI middleware is
> > using major 191 for many years now and obviously without any conflict.
> > Let's officially claim this major number.
>
> This is not the way it should have been done but whoever needs spanking
> got away with it years ago. Given that this seems the best way forward.
>
> With LANANA hat on

actually in the days of udev, the capifs is not really needed anymore.
The right choice would be to remove it. I haven't been enabling it since
years.

Regards

Marcel


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From: Jan Kiszka on
Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
>>> I found no trace of this mysterious "pcl181" device, neither in-tree nor
>>> out there in the wild. At the same time, the in-tree CAPI middleware is
>>> using major 191 for many years now and obviously without any conflict.
>>> Let's officially claim this major number.
>> This is not the way it should have been done but whoever needs spanking
>> got away with it years ago. Given that this seems the best way forward.
>>
>> With LANANA hat on
>
> actually in the days of udev, the capifs is not really needed anymore.
> The right choice would be to remove it. I haven't been enabling it since
> years.

First of all, the capifs story is orthogonal to the major claim.

But basically you are right, capifs is likely not needed anymore. The
only user visible change - and that was holding me back to suggest its
removal - is the time when the NCCI minor ttys show up under /dev/capi/
(or wherever you direct them to). If I didn't miss something about udev,
it will make all possible minors pop up once the major is registered.
However, I'm not sure if there is some userland actually relying on this.

Jan

From: Karsten Keil on
On Samstag, 23. Januar 2010 13:48:12 Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> > > I found no trace of this mysterious "pcl181" device, neither in-tree
> > > nor out there in the wild. At the same time, the in-tree CAPI
> > > middleware is using major 191 for many years now and obviously without
> > > any conflict. Let's officially claim this major number.
> >
> > This is not the way it should have been done but whoever needs spanking
> > got away with it years ago. Given that this seems the best way forward.
> >
> > With LANANA hat on
>
> actually in the days of udev, the capifs is not really needed anymore.
> The right choice would be to remove it. I haven't been enabling it since
> years.
>
So far I understand, the pppd capiplugin is the only user of it, so it could
be disabled for most users without any problems, as long they are not using
PPP connections via CAPI.

I never understand capifs very well, I think that it can be dropped because of
udev, but maybe need some adjustment in user space as well (make sure that
udev did create the node before open it).

I f I remember correctly, here was some proposal to replace the /dev/capi/
nodes with devpts, this would remove the complete capi_tty device major
as well.

Karsten
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From: Marcel Holtmann on
Hi Jan,

> >>> I found no trace of this mysterious "pcl181" device, neither in-tree nor
> >>> out there in the wild. At the same time, the in-tree CAPI middleware is
> >>> using major 191 for many years now and obviously without any conflict.
> >>> Let's officially claim this major number.
> >> This is not the way it should have been done but whoever needs spanking
> >> got away with it years ago. Given that this seems the best way forward.
> >>
> >> With LANANA hat on
> >
> > actually in the days of udev, the capifs is not really needed anymore.
> > The right choice would be to remove it. I haven't been enabling it since
> > years.
>
> First of all, the capifs story is orthogonal to the major claim.

my point here is merely that when using udev, you need to fixed assigned
major number. Dynamic major numbers will just work fine.

> But basically you are right, capifs is likely not needed anymore. The
> only user visible change - and that was holding me back to suggest its
> removal - is the time when the NCCI minor ttys show up under /dev/capi/
> (or wherever you direct them to). If I didn't miss something about udev,
> it will make all possible minors pop up once the major is registered.
> However, I'm not sure if there is some userland actually relying on this.

That is just an issue with the current code. There is no requirement to
create all minors are at the same. You can create/remove minors on
demand as you please. And udev will take care of the device nodes for
you.

Regards

Marcel


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