Can N be constructed?
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From: George Greene on 9 Jun 2010 21:32 On Jun 9, 3:54 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 4:16 pm, WM <mueck...(a)rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote: > > > > This list contains all 1's that are contained in 111... > > > > The claim is that no line contains all these 1's. This claim can be > > > > disproved. No, it can't. But William, seriously, you need to quit. As long as you are here, WM can chew you up and spit you out while completely not engaging the actual refutations.
From: George Greene on 9 Jun 2010 21:35 On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, WM <mueck...(a)rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote: > Proof: Construct the above list, but remove always line number n after > having constructed the next line number n + 1. If you construct the above list, you HAVE NOT removed ANY lines. The above list CONTAINS ALL these lines. NOTHING has been removed. If you mean START the process of constructing this list (which will NEVER end), then you alternate between having 1 and 2 lines, ALL the time, and you NEVER have more, which means you never come close to having ANY infinite list. > Then the list shrinks to a single line but this single line contains > the same as the list You CANNOT *DEFINE* what "contains the same as" MEANS!! And in any case, the question WAS NOT WHETHER ANYthing did or did not CONTAIN THE SAME AS something else!!!!! The question was whether there was A LINE ON THE LIST that WAS 111.... INFINITELY long! Which of course THERE IS NOT since EVERY line on the list IS FINITE!
From: George Greene on 9 Jun 2010 21:36 On Jun 9, 3:16 pm, WM <mueck...(a)rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote: > But if the complete list is constructed, then that line which contains > "the same as the list", is not constructed? EXACTLY. More to the point, "that line which contains the same as the list" is NEVER constructed BECAUSE THIS IS A *MEANGINGLESS* locution!! Your Native Language IS NOT English! NOBODY CARES WHETHER ANYthing "contains the same as the list"! What people care about is whether 111.... IS ON the list or not, whether it is or is not SOME ELEMENT OF the list!
From: George Greene on 9 Jun 2010 21:42 On Jun 9, 9:22 pm, Tim Little <t...(a)little-possums.net> wrote: > I was wondering whether WM might have died from his degenerative brain > disorder. For all his faults in mathematics and as a human being, I > am glad that was not actually the case. Well, THERE'S your trouble.
From: herbzet on 9 Jun 2010 23:43
WM wrote: > > If this question is denied, <PLONK> -- hz |