Can sailors sail downwind faster than wind?
in [Physics]
|
Prev: Geochemists may have tapped into deep rock undisturbed since shortlyafter the planet formed
Next: Difference between neutrinos and anti-neutrinos discovered, mightlead to more types of neutrinos
From: Androcles on 13 Aug 2010 16:12 "sno" <sno(a)opelc.com> wrote in message news:4c6593dd$0$77549$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... | On 8/13/2010 2:40 PM, ThinAirDesigns wrote: | > Ken Tucker: | >> Nope, not DIRECTLY Down Wind, | > | > You are correct -- the airfoils on a ice-boat do not travel directly | > downwind, they take the same angled path through the wind that the | > airfoils on the Blackbird DDWFTTW vehicle take. | > | > If you agree that a traditional sailing rig can beat the balloon to a | > downwind mark by reaching, you have just conceded that there is no | > violation of any physical laws when a device gets there before the | > balloon. | > | > The ice-boat and the Blackbird use the same propulsion method -- you | > can't have it both ways. | > | > JB | | "Experiment beats theory any day", this means that the theory that a | device cannot go faster than the wind downwind is incorrect.... | | "one experiment cannot a theory make, however one experiment can a | theory break" | | have fun....sno | | -- | Correct Scientific Terminology: | Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs | Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments | to be generally assumed to be true. | Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments | in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory. | Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true. | That's according to your stinking theory. Hypothesis or postulate - a supposition, usually silly. e.g. we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A. - Idiot Einstein. Law - an axiom. e.g. Every body perseveres in its state of rest, or of uniform motion in a right line, unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed thereon. - Newton. e.g. A meets B when B meets A. Nature's laws cannot be broken no matter how hard you try. Theory - an insane pile of ignorant bullshit used to deceive students for monetary gain or prestige. Theorem: a logical deduction based on natural laws. Do you deny planes can fly? Note: some things are proven in science even if you assume they are not.
From: Ken S. Tucker on 13 Aug 2010 17:09 On Aug 13, 11:50 am, sno <s...(a)opelc.com> wrote: > On 8/13/2010 2:40 PM, ThinAirDesigns wrote: > > > > > Ken Tucker: > >> Nope, not DIRECTLY Down Wind, > > > You are correct -- the airfoils on a ice-boat do not travel directly > > downwind, they take the same angled path through the wind that the > > airfoils on the Blackbird DDWFTTW vehicle take. > > > If you agree that a traditional sailing rig can beat the balloon to a > > downwind mark by reaching, you have just conceded that there is no > > violation of any physical laws when a device gets there before the > > balloon. > > > The ice-boat and the Blackbird use the same propulsion method -- you > > can't have it both ways. > > > JB > > "Experiment beats theory any day", this means that the theory that a > device cannot go faster than the wind downwind is incorrect.... True, if the "Experiment" was conducted scientifically using a disclosed apparatus, method, including piloting procedures and ambient conditions, which in this case that data is being withheld thus perpetuating the hoax. Ken ....
From: eric gisse on 13 Aug 2010 17:26 Ken S. Tucker wrote: > On Aug 13, 11:50 am, sno <s...(a)opelc.com> wrote: >> On 8/13/2010 2:40 PM, ThinAirDesigns wrote: >> >> >> >> > Ken Tucker: >> >> Nope, not DIRECTLY Down Wind, >> >> > You are correct -- the airfoils on a ice-boat do not travel directly >> > downwind, they take the same angled path through the wind that the >> > airfoils on the Blackbird DDWFTTW vehicle take. >> >> > If you agree that a traditional sailing rig can beat the balloon to a >> > downwind mark by reaching, you have just conceded that there is no >> > violation of any physical laws when a device gets there before the >> > balloon. >> >> > The ice-boat and the Blackbird use the same propulsion method -- you >> > can't have it both ways. >> >> > JB >> >> "Experiment beats theory any day", this means that the theory that a >> device cannot go faster than the wind downwind is incorrect.... > > True, if the "Experiment" was conducted scientifically using a > disclosed > apparatus, method, including piloting procedures and ambient > conditions, > which in this case that data is being withheld thus perpetuating the > hoax. > Ken > ... A crank in one area of physics is equally clueless about another area. Imagine that.
From: ThinAirDesigns on 13 Aug 2010 17:28 Ken Tucker: > in this case that data is being withheld thus perpetuating the > hoax. Bullshit -- Nalsa has the record data posted on their public website. I'll also bet a dollar they'll send you the raw data if you request it. Nobody wants (or should want) the data from us for obvious reasons -- we could have fucked with it. JB
From: ThinAirDesigns on 13 Aug 2010 17:29
Ken likes to make a lot of stuff up right off the top of his head. JB |