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From: Jim on 5 Nov 2009 22:29 A clone operation is a bit by bit copy from one drive to another. Hence, the destination disk is identical to the source. Jim "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message news:%23$8mr3oXKHA.1268(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > The software that Western Digital provides is by Acronis. The original HD > has a partition of about 10Gb that contains the Restore files for the PC > and I want to keep that onto the new HD. Not sure if the software will do > that or if I have to prepare it myself. And since I cannot see the new HD > in Explorer, I don't have a drive letter assigned to it. That makes it > another confusing issue for me. Thanks for the input, Steve T. > "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder55(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:NTLIm.2951$ky1.2350(a)newsfe14.iad... >> Steve T wrote: >>> Update again. In Disk Management, the new drive shows up as 465 Gb >>> Unallocated. Not sure if this means I have to partition the drive or >>> what. If I have to partition it, which one do I choose, New or Extended? >>> I'm not interested in having it partitioned into several smaller drives. >>> I just want it ready to be formatted and then cloned. Thanks, Steve T. >> >> Shouldn't your clone software handle the partitioning and formatting for >> you? When I used Ghost to clone my boot drive I just started the >> software and pointed it at the proper drives and let it run. >> >> >>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23b6ZfinXKHA.3676(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Update. I went into setup and turned on the drive function that allows >>>> the HD to be recognized. New hardware found notice popped up after boot >>>> and I can see the HD in Device Manager and Disk Management. It is >>>> initialized but I cannot see it the Explorer View. All I have is the >>>> original C:\ and D:\, which is my DVD. What am I missing? I need to >>>> format the new disk and start the cloning procedure. Thank you, Steve >>>> T. >>>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ehtQnUnXKHA.4892(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Just installed a Western Digital SATA HD into my XP-SP3 HE PC. I want >>>>> to clone the original and then just replace it with the new unit. >>>>> Original HD is making noises. My PC does not see the new HD. I have >>>>> installed a new SATA cable and connected the original power cable >>>>> also. The power cable is one of those that connects both HD's in >>>>> series. I went to Disk Management and tried Rescan, nothing. Went to >>>>> Device Manager and searched for new hardware with no luck either. >>>>> There is no shunt on the HD. No window shows up requesting >>>>> initialization. PC booted up as normal. Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> Thank you, Steve T. >>>>> >>>> >>> >
From: SC Tom on 5 Nov 2009 22:33 If you boot from the CD that Acronis creates (if you let it), you can create a partition image of just your system area without the recovery partition if you don't want it. Then you restore that image to your new drive. You don't need to assign a drive letter; the image will take care of that when you restore it. SC Tom "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message news:%23$8mr3oXKHA.1268(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > The software that Western Digital provides is by Acronis. The original HD > has a partition of about 10Gb that contains the Restore files for the PC > and I want to keep that onto the new HD. Not sure if the software will do > that or if I have to prepare it myself. And since I cannot see the new HD > in Explorer, I don't have a drive letter assigned to it. That makes it > another confusing issue for me. Thanks for the input, Steve T. > "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder55(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:NTLIm.2951$ky1.2350(a)newsfe14.iad... >> Steve T wrote: >>> Update again. In Disk Management, the new drive shows up as 465 Gb >>> Unallocated. Not sure if this means I have to partition the drive or >>> what. If I have to partition it, which one do I choose, New or Extended? >>> I'm not interested in having it partitioned into several smaller drives. >>> I just want it ready to be formatted and then cloned. Thanks, Steve T. >> >> Shouldn't your clone software handle the partitioning and formatting for >> you? When I used Ghost to clone my boot drive I just started the >> software and pointed it at the proper drives and let it run. >> >> >>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23b6ZfinXKHA.3676(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Update. I went into setup and turned on the drive function that allows >>>> the HD to be recognized. New hardware found notice popped up after boot >>>> and I can see the HD in Device Manager and Disk Management. It is >>>> initialized but I cannot see it the Explorer View. All I have is the >>>> original C:\ and D:\, which is my DVD. What am I missing? I need to >>>> format the new disk and start the cloning procedure. Thank you, Steve >>>> T. >>>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ehtQnUnXKHA.4892(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Just installed a Western Digital SATA HD into my XP-SP3 HE PC. I want >>>>> to clone the original and then just replace it with the new unit. >>>>> Original HD is making noises. My PC does not see the new HD. I have >>>>> installed a new SATA cable and connected the original power cable >>>>> also. The power cable is one of those that connects both HD's in >>>>> series. I went to Disk Management and tried Rescan, nothing. Went to >>>>> Device Manager and searched for new hardware with no luck either. >>>>> There is no shunt on the HD. No window shows up requesting >>>>> initialization. PC booted up as normal. Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> Thank you, Steve T. >>>>> >>>> >>> >
From: Paul on 5 Nov 2009 23:54 Steve T wrote: > The software that Western Digital provides is by Acronis. The original HD > has a partition of about 10Gb that contains the Restore files for the PC and > I want to keep that onto the new HD. Not sure if the software will do that > or if I have to prepare it myself. And since I cannot see the new HD in > Explorer, I don't have a drive letter assigned to it. That makes it another > confusing issue for me. Thanks for the input, Steve T. The very first thing to do, is make sure you understand what capabilities your machine has, and what partitions and partition types might be present on the old drive. This article, for example, covers some of the cases for a Dell machine. http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm What to do, and how to proceed, may vary from case to case. I consider some of what is described in the previous article, to be "over the top" in terms of cleverness, and should never have been done in equipment intended to be used by home users. You could, for example, start with a tool like this, to look at the current primary partition table entries. The partition type field, may hint at what is on your disk. (Disk Management shows much the same info, but if Disk Management can't name something, PTEDIT32 may help you identify if something is there.) Looking at your computer documentation, for some of the keywords used on the Goodells web site, may also give some idea what is hiding on there. Download and unzip PTEDIT32.zip from here. ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/ You can see an example of a Dell disk here. The three partition types here are DE, 07, and DB. The DB could be a 0B (FAT32) partition with the letter D slapped on it. The DE could be a Dell utility. The 07 is NTFS. If you double-click the partition type field, while using PTEDIT32, it will display a table of partition types. The Dell types won't be documented in there, but the "standard" partition types will. So at least 07 would be identified with some authority. http://www.vistax64.com/attachments/vista-installation-setup/7308d1224108918-hidden-partiton-recovery-dell-xps-420-dell-tbl.gif In a lot of cases, a program like Linux "dd" could be used to copy the info on the other disk, regardless of partition types or tricks. (That is how I make exact copies of things.) The exception to that, would be the case of a disk that uses an HPA or Host Protected Area. Dealing with that would take more work. Even some of the utilities that specialize in erasing user disks (used for hard drive recycling), make no guarantees that they can erase a disk which has an active HPA. So dealing with HPAs can be more complicated than most tools are prepared for. (The BIOS may prevent a user from working with HPAs, in the name of security. It is dangerous for a computer to be unprotected against the formation of HPAs, so the BIOS usually closes that door on home machines. That is to prevent malware from making the whole disk invisible inside an HPA. And that is why some tools will warn that they cannot guarantee they'll be able to complete their mission, if the BIOS has already closed the door.) So while using Acronis to capture the C: partition should work without too much sweat, getting every detail of the copying of your disk right, is going to depend on just how complicated the setup happens to be. Paul > "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder55(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:NTLIm.2951$ky1.2350(a)newsfe14.iad... >> Steve T wrote: >>> Update again. In Disk Management, the new drive shows up as 465 Gb >>> Unallocated. Not sure if this means I have to partition the drive or >>> what. If I have to partition it, which one do I choose, New or Extended? >>> I'm not interested in having it partitioned into several smaller drives. >>> I just want it ready to be formatted and then cloned. Thanks, Steve T. >> Shouldn't your clone software handle the partitioning and formatting for >> you? When I used Ghost to clone my boot drive I just started the software >> and pointed it at the proper drives and let it run. >> >> >>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23b6ZfinXKHA.3676(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Update. I went into setup and turned on the drive function that allows >>>> the HD to be recognized. New hardware found notice popped up after boot >>>> and I can see the HD in Device Manager and Disk Management. It is >>>> initialized but I cannot see it the Explorer View. All I have is the >>>> original C:\ and D:\, which is my DVD. What am I missing? I need to >>>> format the new disk and start the cloning procedure. Thank you, Steve T. >>>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ehtQnUnXKHA.4892(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Just installed a Western Digital SATA HD into my XP-SP3 HE PC. I want >>>>> to clone the original and then just replace it with the new unit. >>>>> Original HD is making noises. My PC does not see the new HD. I have >>>>> installed a new SATA cable and connected the original power cable also. >>>>> The power cable is one of those that connects both HD's in series. I >>>>> went to Disk Management and tried Rescan, nothing. Went to Device >>>>> Manager and searched for new hardware with no luck either. There is no >>>>> shunt on the HD. No window shows up requesting initialization. PC >>>>> booted up as normal. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Steve T. >>>>> >
From: Steve T on 7 Nov 2009 12:25 I got the HD running thanks to the reply by Michael above. As soon as I launched the Acronis software it did a quick scan and found the "blank" disk. Then it just asked if I wished to prepare it for the cloning process and away it went. Thanks to all that replied. Steve T. "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hd0a55$l6b$1(a)aioe.org... > Steve T wrote: >> The software that Western Digital provides is by Acronis. The original HD >> has a partition of about 10Gb that contains the Restore files for the PC >> and I want to keep that onto the new HD. Not sure if the software will do >> that or if I have to prepare it myself. And since I cannot see the new HD >> in Explorer, I don't have a drive letter assigned to it. That makes it >> another confusing issue for me. Thanks for the input, Steve T. > > The very first thing to do, is make sure you understand what capabilities > your machine has, and what partitions and partition types might be present > on the old drive. This article, for example, covers some of the cases > for a Dell machine. > > http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm > > What to do, and how to proceed, may vary from case to case. I consider > some of what is described in the previous article, to be "over the top" in > terms of cleverness, and should never have been done in equipment > intended to be used by home users. > > You could, for example, start with a tool like this, to look at the > current > primary partition table entries. The partition type field, may hint > at what is on your disk. (Disk Management shows much the same info, > but if Disk Management can't name something, PTEDIT32 may help you > identify if something is there.) Looking at your computer documentation, > for some of the keywords used on the Goodells web site, may also > give some idea what is hiding on there. > > Download and unzip PTEDIT32.zip from here. > > ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/ > > You can see an example of a Dell disk here. The three partition types > here are DE, 07, and DB. The DB could be a 0B (FAT32) partition with > the letter D slapped on it. The DE could be a Dell utility. The 07 is > NTFS. > If you double-click the partition type field, while using PTEDIT32, it > will display a table of partition types. The Dell types won't be > documented in there, but the "standard" partition types will. So at > least 07 would be identified with some authority. > > http://www.vistax64.com/attachments/vista-installation-setup/7308d1224108918-hidden-partiton-recovery-dell-xps-420-dell-tbl.gif > > In a lot of cases, a program like Linux "dd" could be used to copy > the info on the other disk, regardless of partition types or tricks. > (That is how I make exact copies of things.) > > The exception to that, would be the case of a disk that uses an HPA > or Host Protected Area. Dealing with that would take more work. Even > some of the utilities that specialize in erasing user disks (used > for hard drive recycling), make no guarantees that they can erase > a disk which has an active HPA. So dealing with HPAs can be more > complicated > than most tools are prepared for. (The BIOS may prevent a user from > working with HPAs, in the name of security. It is dangerous for a computer > to be unprotected against the formation of HPAs, so the BIOS usually > closes that door on home machines. That is to prevent malware > from making the whole disk invisible inside an HPA. And that is > why some tools will warn that they cannot guarantee they'll be > able to complete their mission, if the BIOS has already closed > the door.) > > So while using Acronis to capture the C: partition should work > without too much sweat, getting every detail of the copying of > your disk right, is going to depend on just how complicated the > setup happens to be. > > Paul > >> "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder55(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:NTLIm.2951$ky1.2350(a)newsfe14.iad... >>> Steve T wrote: >>>> Update again. In Disk Management, the new drive shows up as 465 Gb >>>> Unallocated. Not sure if this means I have to partition the drive or >>>> what. If I have to partition it, which one do I choose, New or >>>> Extended? I'm not interested in having it partitioned into several >>>> smaller drives. I just want it ready to be formatted and then cloned. >>>> Thanks, Steve T. >>> Shouldn't your clone software handle the partitioning and formatting for >>> you? When I used Ghost to clone my boot drive I just started the >>> software and pointed it at the proper drives and let it run. >>> >>> >>>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>>> news:%23b6ZfinXKHA.3676(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> Update. I went into setup and turned on the drive function that allows >>>>> the HD to be recognized. New hardware found notice popped up after >>>>> boot and I can see the HD in Device Manager and Disk Management. It is >>>>> initialized but I cannot see it the Explorer View. All I have is the >>>>> original C:\ and D:\, which is my DVD. What am I missing? I need to >>>>> format the new disk and start the cloning procedure. Thank you, Steve >>>>> T. >>>>> "Steve T" <stumas(a)NOBINGOcharter.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ehtQnUnXKHA.4892(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Just installed a Western Digital SATA HD into my XP-SP3 HE PC. I want >>>>>> to clone the original and then just replace it with the new unit. >>>>>> Original HD is making noises. My PC does not see the new HD. I have >>>>>> installed a new SATA cable and connected the original power cable >>>>>> also. The power cable is one of those that connects both HD's in >>>>>> series. I went to Disk Management and tried Rescan, nothing. Went to >>>>>> Device Manager and searched for new hardware with no luck either. >>>>>> There is no shunt on the HD. No window shows up requesting >>>>>> initialization. PC booted up as normal. Any help would be >>>>>> appreciated. Thank you, Steve T. >>>>>> >>
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