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From: Lester Zick on 3 Nov 2006 16:55 On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:07:50 -0500, David Marcus <DavidMarcus(a)alumdotmit.edu> wrote: >Lester Zick wrote: >> On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:27:20 +0800, Noehl <n.alinsangan(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Lester Zick wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:28:49 -0500, David Marcus >> >> <DavidMarcus(a)alumdotmit.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dik T. Winter wrote: >> >>>> In article <sjnfk256m5tau0bmk5u4vjdg53al1f2sc9(a)4ax.com> Lester Zick <dontbother(a)nowhere.net> writes: >> >>>> > Yours are some of the very >> >>>> > few that don't. And I've seen posts of other .nl correspondents which >> >>>> > come through in color. >> >>>> >> >>>> It has nothing to do with the domain where you come from. It has everything >> >>>> to do with the manner things are quoted and in the way *your* newsreader is >> >>>> able to handle that. I know the reason your newsreader does not show colours. >> >> >> >> But my newsreader does show colors. >> >> >> >>>> It is because I prepend the '>' sign with a space when quoting. >> >> >> >> Ok. Mine reacts the same way. But when there is no preceeding space >> >> quoted text is shown in a different color. >> >> >> >>> And I >> >>>> have pretty good reasons to do that. (One of the reasons being that this >> >>>> article would be rejected because there is more quotation than new text.) >> >> >> >> I've never experienced that. >> >> >> >>> My newsreader lets me post articles that have more quotation than new >> >>> text. >> >> >> >> ~v~~ >> > >> >Thunderbird quotes nicely >> >> Yeah, I'm not sure what the problem is if there is a problem. > >Dik told you the reason. He's putting " >" at the front of each line >instead of ">". So, your newsreader won't see it as a quote. He does >this because his newsreader tries to enforce etiquette by not letting >him post messages that are mostly quotes. Well I believe I understood the point when it was originally posted, David. You see I use the word "problem" only because there is no problem if Dik chooses the option. My only "problem" is facilitation. >You know, how usenet works is less complicated than mathematics. Now, now, David. Technically mathematics is a good deal simpler than operation of the usenet. The usenet is only less complicated than modern mathematics. ~v~~
From: Lester Zick on 3 Nov 2006 16:58 On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:57:30 -0500, David Marcus <DavidMarcus(a)alumdotmit.edu> wrote: >Virgil wrote: >> In article <1162470874.593282.36250(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >> mueckenh(a)rz.fh-augsburg.de wrote: >> >> WM merely repeated his automatic error several more times here. >> >> WM claims that a list in which the nth listed element is a string of >> length at least n characters cannot produce a diagonal of length >> greater that any finite number of characters. >> >> His claim is trivially and obviously false, but he keeps repeating it ad >> nauseam, as if by sufficient repetition of that lie , he can make the >> truth go away. > >Not only does he keep repeating it, but he never even tries to justify >it in any way. He is like a broken record. We ask him for his reason and >he just repeats the same unjustified, erroneous claim. Kind of boring. No more boring than endless repetition of "true" "infinity" "set theory" and "bijection". Kinda grates on the nerves. Repetition and truth just don't converge. ~v~~
From: Lester Zick on 3 Nov 2006 17:05 On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 02:54:26 GMT, "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Winter(a)cwi.nl> wrote: >In article <j2bkk2hmo8eg2bev1qmt781mf95f2sf3n6(a)4ax.com> Lester Zick <dontbother(a)nowhere.net> writes: > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:28:49 -0500, David Marcus > > <DavidMarcus(a)alumdotmit.edu> wrote: > > >Dik T. Winter wrote: > > >> It has nothing to do with the domain where you come from. It has > > >> everything to do with the manner things are quoted and in the way > > >> *your* newsreader is able to handle that. I know the reason your > > >> newsreader does not show colours. > > > > But my newsreader does show colors. > >Not for my articles apparently. > > > >> It is because I prepend the '>' sign with a space when quoting. > > > > Ok. Mine reacts the same way. But when there is no preceeding space > > quoted text is shown in a different color. > >I do not understand the first sentence. What "same way"? Preceeding ">" with a space causes my news server not to recognize the text as a quote either. > But whatever, >yes, I know that removing that space from my quotation prefix would >give you back your glorious colours. I don't really mind all that much one way or the other. Not trying to argue the point. Just asking. > > >> And I > > >> have pretty good reasons to do that. (One of the reasons being that this > > >> article would be rejected because there is more quotation than new text.) > > > > I've never experienced that. > >Oh, well. So be it. You use a different newsreader than I use and you >never did use the newsreader I use. No doubt. The only newsreader I've use in recent memory is Forte FreeAgent. The price is right. > > >My newsreader lets me post articles that have more quotation than new > > >text. > >And the same holds for David Marcus. One of the problems of that is that >so many users quote a complete article and add "me too" only. > >One of the main reasons I keep to this newsreader is that it is simple. >It gives me access to all functions without using the mouse, just the >left hand part of the keyboard. I am probably obliged to re-translate >it in the future, but as the source is readily available, that is no >problem. When doing so, I *might* remove the check on quoted text vs. >new text, but I do not think there is any need. On my black-white >display, the preceding space in quotes much more shows that it is a >quote. Well it's just a minor issue as I'm forced to examine text in minute detail.Obviously it's your preference.If it works for you that's fine. ~v~~
From: David Marcus on 3 Nov 2006 17:17 MoeBlee wrote: > David Marcus wrote: > > Obviously, I could be wrong, but I think WM means map it on a line of > > the list. He seems to think that because we construct the diagonal from > > the list, the diagonal must be one of the lines in the list. Why he > > thinks this, I have no clue. > > You mean map the diagonal (or the range of the diagonal, or whatever) > onto one of the finite sequences that is in the range of the infinite > sequence of those finite sequences? I.e., map the diagonal onto a > member of the range of S? A 1-1 map? That's what I meant. It seems to be a repeat of his attempt to list all natural numbers in unary, then claim that the diagonal of the list must be a natural number (despite being infinitely long), and so must be on the list. > If so, yes, I would share your > bafflement as to why we should think there is such a mapping or what > contradiction there is in there not being such a mapping. -- David Marcus
From: David Marcus on 3 Nov 2006 17:19
Lester Zick wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:57:30 -0500, David Marcus > <DavidMarcus(a)alumdotmit.edu> wrote: > >Virgil wrote: > >> WM merely repeated his automatic error several more times here. > >> > >> WM claims that a list in which the nth listed element is a string of > >> length at least n characters cannot produce a diagonal of length > >> greater that any finite number of characters. > >> > >> His claim is trivially and obviously false, but he keeps repeating it ad > >> nauseam, as if by sufficient repetition of that lie , he can make the > >> truth go away. > > > >Not only does he keep repeating it, but he never even tries to justify > >it in any way. He is like a broken record. We ask him for his reason and > >he just repeats the same unjustified, erroneous claim. Kind of boring. > > No more boring than endless repetition of "true" "infinity" "set > theory" and "bijection". Kinda grates on the nerves. Repetition and > truth just don't converge. Are you referring to your own posts? -- David Marcus |