From: Jorge on 12 Feb 2010 06:52 On 12 feb, 04:57, "Geoff Schaller" <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote: > Jorge, > > A child app designed in the 'editor', by definition, is not possible. > The editor designs datawindow, datadialog, shell, ole and dialog > windows. > > My first question is this: why won't one of those do for you? > > My second question is this: what features do you want the others don't > accommodate. > > My last point is that you are asking for something quite advanced yet > you want simple steps laid out before you. Don't you see this as a > simple contradiction in terms. You want to go ahead and press the > 'Advanced Button' but you want a simple example. Do you want an example? > Well take out the SDK and take a peek. Various folks have created their > own windows over time but they were all for specialised behaviour and > needs. Answer my two questions above and let's see where we get. > > Geoff > > "Jorge" <jorgeaccine...(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in message > > news:13b6bc5b-4fcc-45c2-8482-05a6f3c932c8(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com: > > > > > On 11 feb, 21:02, "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote: > > > > I've never add a window entry in the WED so I was just wondering > > > if there are some tips or tricks to do this... > > > > If somebody has a sample, it could be even easier, that's it ! > > > > -- > > > Phil Mermod > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objectshttp://www.pkl.ch/dev/ > > > > Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > > > But what is your problem? > > > > > Plenty of people have implemented their own child app windows > > > > over the years. It is only a matter of implementing enough of > > > > the data window as you need (I am assuming you are wanting an > > > > MDI child or you would have used a dialog). The full source is > > > > available to you in the SDK so where does your question lead > > > > us? > > > > > Geoff > > > > > "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote in message > > > >news:7ti83gFjfrU1(a)mid.individual.net: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Is someone has implemented a ChildAppWindow entry in the Wed > > > > > ? > > > > > > Please don't tell me to use a DataWindow :-) I don't need any > > > > > data related stuff but need the Wed to simplify the design > > > > > instead creating my controls at runtime. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- > > > > > Phil Mermod > > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects > > > > >http://www.pkl.ch/dev/-Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > Hello ! > > > I join the request. > > A step by step sample. ( I' not an expert ) > > > If there is anything I would like to see in VO , is a > > childappwindow > > designed by the editor > > > Best regards > > Jorge Accinelli- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - Hi Geoff For my part, I want a MDI window like a dialog window. Without the characteristics, in short, predetermined of a data window Jorge
From: Philippe Mermod on 12 Feb 2010 06:55 Geoff, If you check in details the SDK, you will see that DataWindow (by definition) is related with DATA and has a lot of behavior regarding the data fields, dbserver, ... For instance, you have this code in the Init() method which has no effect (you will tell me) : IF !IsNil(oServer) SELF:Use(oServer) ENDIF I actually started to use datawindow but the gui behaviors are really different than a ChildAppWindow : just check the behaviot of scrollbars.... I found a workaround for the scrollbars, which is very amazing in 2010 : in the SDK, the iMinX and iMinY of the oFormFrame is used to determine the minimum size to activate the scrollbars : to change this, I add All questions answers. In the opposite, I couldn't make a dialogwindow modeless behave like a child in an MDI app (ShellWindow) -- Phil Mermod Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects http://www.pkl.ch/dev/ Geoff Schaller wrote: > Jorge, > > A child app designed in the 'editor', by definition, is not > possible. The editor designs datawindow, datadialog, shell, > ole and dialog windows. > > My first question is this: why won't one of those do for you? > > My second question is this: what features do you want the > others don't accommodate. > > > My last point is that you are asking for something quite > advanced yet you want simple steps laid out before you. Don't > you see this as a simple contradiction in terms. You want to > go ahead and press the 'Advanced Button' but you want a simple > example. Do you want an example? Well take out the SDK and > take a peek. Various folks have created their own windows over > time but they were all for specialised behaviour and needs. > Answer my two questions above and let's see where we get. > > Geoff > > > > > "Jorge" <jorgeaccinelli(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in > message > news:13b6bc5b-4fcc-45c2-8482-05a6f3c932c8(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegrou > ps.com: > > >On 11 feb, 21:02, "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> > wrote: > > > >> I've never add a window entry in the WED so I was just > wondering >> if there are some tips or tricks to do this... > > > > >> If somebody has a sample, it could be even easier, that's > it ! > > > > >> -- > >> Phil Mermod > >> Crystal Reports Library for Visual > Objectshttp://www.pkl.ch/dev/ > > > > > > > > > > >> Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > >> > But what is your problem? > > > > >> > Plenty of people have implemented their own child app > windows >> > over the years. It is only a matter of > implementing enough of >> > the data window as you need (I am > assuming you are wanting an >> > MDI child or you would have > used a dialog). The full source is >> > available to you in > the SDK so where does your question lead >> > us? > > > > >> > Geoff > > > > >> > "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote in message > >> >news:7ti83gFjfrU1(a)mid.individual.net: > > > > > > >> > > Hi Everyone, > > > > >> > > Is someone has implemented a ChildAppWindow entry in > the Wed >> > > ? > > > > >> > > Please don't tell me to use a DataWindow :-) I don't > need any >> > > data related stuff but need the Wed to > simplify the design >> > > instead creating my controls at > runtime. > > > > >> > > TIA, > > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Phil Mermod > >> > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects > >> > >http://www.pkl.ch/dev/- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > >> - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > Hello ! > > > > I join the request. > > A step by step sample. ( I' not an expert ) > > > > If there is anything I would like to see in VO , is a > > childappwindow > > designed by the editor > > > > > > Best regards > > Jorge Accinelli
From: Philippe Mermod on 12 Feb 2010 06:55 Same here... -- Phil Mermod Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects http://www.pkl.ch/dev/ Jorge wrote: > On 12 feb, 04:57, "Geoff Schaller" > <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote: > > Jorge, > > > > A child app designed in the 'editor', by definition, is not > > possible. The editor designs datawindow, datadialog, shell, > > ole and dialog windows. > > > > My first question is this: why won't one of those do for you? > > > > My second question is this: what features do you want the > > others don't accommodate. > > > > My last point is that you are asking for something quite > > advanced yet you want simple steps laid out before you. > > Don't you see this as a simple contradiction in terms. You > > want to go ahead and press the 'Advanced Button' but you > > want a simple example. Do you want an example? Well take > > out the SDK and take a peek. Various folks have created > > their own windows over time but they were all for > > specialised behaviour and needs. Answer my two questions > > above and let's see where we get. > > > > Geoff > > > > "Jorge" <jorgeaccine...(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in > > message > > > > news:13b6bc5b-4fcc-45c2-8482-05a6f3c932c8(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegr > > oups.com: > > > > > > > > > On 11 feb, 21:02, "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I've never add a window entry in the WED so I was just > > > > wondering if there are some tips or tricks to do this... > > > > > > If somebody has a sample, it could be even easier, > > > > that's it ! > > > > > > -- > > > > Phil Mermod > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual > > > > Objectshttp://www.pkl.ch/dev/ > > > > > > Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > > > > > But what is your problem? > > > > > > > Plenty of people have implemented their own child app > > > > > windows over the years. It is only a matter of > > > > > implementing enough of the data window as you need (I > > > > > am assuming you are wanting an MDI child or you would > > > > > have used a dialog). The full source is available to > > > > > you in the SDK so where does your question lead us? > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote in > > > > > message news:7ti83gFjfrU1(a)mid.individual.net: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Is someone has implemented a ChildAppWindow entry in > > > > > > the Wed ? > > > > > > > > Please don't tell me to use a DataWindow :-) I don't > > > > > > need any data related stuff but need the Wed to > > > > > > simplify the design instead creating my controls at > > > > > > runtime. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Phil Mermod > > > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects > > > > > > http://www.pkl.ch/dev/-Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > Hello ! > > > > > �I join the request. > > > �A step by step sample. ( I' not an expert ) > > > > > �If there is anything I would like to see in VO , �is a > > > childappwindow > > > �designed by the editor > > > > > �Best regards > > > �Jorge Accinelli- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > Hi Geoff > > For my part, I want a MDI window > like a dialog window. > > Without the characteristics, in short, predetermined > of a data window > > Jorge
From: Geoff Schaller on 13 Feb 2010 20:19 Jorge and Philippe. But WHAT is the problem with DataWindow and disabling all the dataawareness. Its 1-2 methods to override and you're done. You have obviously worked out the scrolling part so where do the problems lie? Why can't you just go ahead and use data windows? But you can still have modeless dialogs as MDI clients but focus behaviour is different. We're now moving to split window styled SDI-Extended mode. Each new window turns up in a tab control tab and the main app is a treeview/outlook explorer bar on the left. But I still don't understand why you can't just modify the datawindow class to do what you want. Geoff "Jorge" <jorgeaccinelli(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in message news:77912d7b-74a1-494b-bcdb-944c2ec18aa7(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > On 12 feb, 04:57, "Geoff Schaller" <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> > wrote: > > > Jorge, > > > > A child app designed in the 'editor', by definition, is not possible. > > The editor designs datawindow, datadialog, shell, ole and dialog > > windows. > > > > My first question is this: why won't one of those do for you? > > > > My second question is this: what features do you want the others don't > > accommodate. > > > > My last point is that you are asking for something quite advanced yet > > you want simple steps laid out before you. Don't you see this as a > > simple contradiction in terms. You want to go ahead and press the > > 'Advanced Button' but you want a simple example. Do you want an example? > > Well take out the SDK and take a peek. Various folks have created their > > own windows over time but they were all for specialised behaviour and > > needs. Answer my two questions above and let's see where we get. > > > > Geoff > > > > "Jorge" <jorgeaccine...(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in message > > > > news:13b6bc5b-4fcc-45c2-8482-05a6f3c932c8(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com: > > > > > > > > > > On 11 feb, 21:02, "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote: > > > > > > > I've never add a window entry in the WED so I was just wondering > > > > if there are some tips or tricks to do this... > > > > > > If somebody has a sample, it could be even easier, that's it ! > > > > > > -- > > > > Phil Mermod > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objectshttp://www.pkl.ch/dev/ > > > > > > Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > > > > > > But what is your problem? > > > > > > > Plenty of people have implemented their own child app windows > > > > > over the years. It is only a matter of implementing enough of > > > > > the data window as you need (I am assuming you are wanting an > > > > > MDI child or you would have used a dialog). The full source is > > > > > available to you in the SDK so where does your question lead > > > > > us? > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote in message > > > > >news:7ti83gFjfrU1(a)mid.individual.net: > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Is someone has implemented a ChildAppWindow entry in the Wed > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Please don't tell me to use a DataWindow :-) I don't need any > > > > > > data related stuff but need the Wed to simplify the design > > > > > > instead creating my controls at runtime. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Phil Mermod > > > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects > > > > > >http://www.pkl.ch/dev/-Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > Hello ! > > > > > I join the request. > > > A step by step sample. ( I' not an expert ) > > > > > If there is anything I would like to see in VO , is a > > > childappwindow > > > designed by the editor > > > > > Best regards > > > Jorge Accinelli- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > Hi Geoff > > For my part, I want a MDI window > like a dialog window. > > Without the characteristics, in short, predetermined > of a data window > > Jorge
From: Philippe Mermod on 14 Feb 2010 11:17 Forget Geoff please ! If you don't understand, some others will... -- Phil Mermod Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects http://www.pkl.ch/dev/ Geoff Schaller wrote: > Jorge and Philippe. > > But WHAT is the problem with DataWindow and disabling all the > dataawareness. Its 1-2 methods to override and you're done. > You have obviously worked out the scrolling part so where do > the problems lie? Why can't you just go ahead and use data > windows? > > But you can still have modeless dialogs as MDI clients but > focus behaviour is different. We're now moving to split window > styled SDI-Extended mode. Each new window turns up in a tab > control tab and the main app is a treeview/outlook explorer > bar on the left. > > But I still don't understand why you can't just modify the > datawindow class to do what you want. > > Geoff > > > > "Jorge" <jorgeaccinelli(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in > message > news:77912d7b-74a1-494b-bcdb-944c2ec18aa7(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegrou > ps.com: > > > On 12 feb, 04:57, "Geoff Schaller" > > <geo...(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote: > > > >> Jorge, > > > > >> A child app designed in the 'editor', by definition, is not > possible. >> The editor designs datawindow, datadialog, > shell, ole and dialog >> windows. > > > > >> My first question is this: why won't one of those do for > you? > > > > >> My second question is this: what features do you want the > others don't >> accommodate. > > > > >> My last point is that you are asking for something quite > advanced yet >> you want simple steps laid out before you. > Don't you see this as a >> simple contradiction in terms. You > want to go ahead and press the >> 'Advanced Button' but you > want a simple example. Do you want an example? >> Well take > out the SDK and take a peek. Various folks have created their > >> own windows over time but they were all for specialised > behaviour and >> needs. Answer my two questions above and > let's see where we get. > > > > >> Geoff > > > > >> "Jorge" <jorgeaccine...(a)dextrasistemas.com.ar> wrote in > message > > > > >> > news:13b6bc5b-4fcc-45c2-8482-05a6f3c932c8(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegrou > ps.com: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On 11 feb, 21:02, "Philippe Mermod" > <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > I've never add a window entry in the WED so I was just > wondering >> > > if there are some tips or tricks to do this... > > > > >> > > If somebody has a sample, it could be even easier, > that's it ! > > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Phil Mermod > >> > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual > Objectshttp://www.pkl.ch/dev/ > > > > >> > > Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > But what is your problem? > > > > >> > > > Plenty of people have implemented their own child app > windows >> > > > over the years. It is only a matter of > implementing enough of >> > > > the data window as you need (I > am assuming you are wanting an >> > > > MDI child or you would > have used a dialog). The full source is >> > > > available to > you in the SDK so where does your question lead >> > > > us? > > > > >> > > > Geoff > > > > >> > > > "Philippe Mermod" <pmer...(a)REMOVEpkl.ch> wrote in > message >> > > >news:7ti83gFjfrU1(a)mid.individual.net: > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > >> > > > > Is someone has implemented a ChildAppWindow entry > in the Wed >> > > > > ? > > > > >> > > > > Please don't tell me to use a DataWindow :-) I > don't need any >> > > > > data related stuff but need the Wed > to simplify the design >> > > > > instead creating my controls > at runtime. > > > > >> > > > > TIA, > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Phil Mermod > >> > > > > Crystal Reports Library for Visual Objects > >> > > > >http://www.pkl.ch/dev/-Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > >> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > >> > Hello ! > > > > >> > I join the request. > >> > A step by step sample. ( I' not an expert ) > > > > >> > If there is anything I would like to see in VO , is a > >> > childappwindow > >> > designed by the editor > > > > >> > Best regards > >> > Jorge Accinelli- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > >> - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > Hi Geoff > > > > For my part, I want a MDI window > > like a dialog window. > > > > Without the characteristics, in short, predetermined > > of a data window > > > > Jorge
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