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From: Joe on 23 Jul 2010 23:28
In article <Xns9DBED5663B7jyaniklocalnetcom(a)216.168.3.44>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote:

> Winston <Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote in
> news:i2d8u00265o(a)news5.newsguy.com:
>
> > On 7/23/2010 1:09 PM, Joe wrote:
> >
> > (...)
> >
> >> Using baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution in water is probably
> >> unnecessary, but shouldn't hurt.
> >
> > Both baking soda and Potassium hydroxide are basic, yes?
> >
> > Wouldn't we want to use an acid to neutralize KOH?
> >
> > --Winston
> >
>
> some folks don't recognize the reason for the name "alkaline cell".
>
> They think all batteries have acid in them.

Look up sodium bicarbonate in a chemistry book, or on wikipedia.

Here's a portion of what wikipedia has to say about sodium bicarbonate
(tolja, tolja, nyahh, nyahh :) ):

********** Quoted from Wikipedia ***********

Neutralization of acids and bases

Many laboratories keep a bottle of sodium bicarbonate powder within easy
reach, because sodium bicarbonate is amphoteric, reacting with acids and
bases. Furthermore, as it is relatively innocuous in most situations,
there is no harm in using excess sodium bicarbonate.

********** END Quoted from Wikipedia ***********

--- Joe
From: Winston on 24 Jul 2010 00:40
On 7/23/2010 8:28 PM, Joe wrote:
> In article<Xns9DBED5663B7jyaniklocalnetcom(a)216.168.3.44>, Jim Yanik
> <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>> Winston<Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote in
>> news:i2d8u00265o(a)news5.newsguy.com:
>>
>>> On 7/23/2010 1:09 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>> Using baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution in water is probably
>>>> unnecessary, but shouldn't hurt.
>>>
>>> Both baking soda and Potassium hydroxide are basic, yes?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't we want to use an acid to neutralize KOH?
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>>
>>
>> some folks don't recognize the reason for the name "alkaline cell".
>>
>> They think all batteries have acid in them.
>
> Look up sodium bicarbonate in a chemistry book, or on wikipedia.
>
> Here's a portion of what wikipedia has to say about sodium bicarbonate
> (tolja, tolja, nyahh, nyahh :) ):

Hokay, what I know about chemistry you could put in a thimble and
still have room for a medium size battleship.

(Physics too, apparently!)

However!

I see in the chart that plain filtered water is neutral
and two pH increments less basic than bicarb.

http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=58

So, your first response looks like a better answer to me, Joe.

:)

--Winston
From: Joe on 24 Jul 2010 01:11
In article <i2dqqj0juk(a)news7.newsguy.com>, Winston
<Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:

> On 7/23/2010 8:28 PM, Joe wrote:
> > In article<Xns9DBED5663B7jyaniklocalnetcom(a)216.168.3.44>, Jim Yanik
> > <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Winston<Winston(a)bigbrother.net> wrote in
> >> news:i2d8u00265o(a)news5.newsguy.com:
> >>
> >>> On 7/23/2010 1:09 PM, Joe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> (...)
> >>>
> >>>> Using baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution in water is probably
> >>>> unnecessary, but shouldn't hurt.
> >>>
> >>> Both baking soda and Potassium hydroxide are basic, yes?
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't we want to use an acid to neutralize KOH?
> >>>
> >>> --Winston
> >>>
> >>
> >> some folks don't recognize the reason for the name "alkaline cell".
> >>
> >> They think all batteries have acid in them.
> >
> > Look up sodium bicarbonate in a chemistry book, or on wikipedia.
> >
> > Here's a portion of what wikipedia has to say about sodium bicarbonate
> > (tolja, tolja, nyahh, nyahh :) ):
>
> Hokay, what I know about chemistry you could put in a thimble and
> still have room for a medium size battleship.
>
> (Physics too, apparently!)
>
> However!
>
> I see in the chart that plain filtered water is neutral
> and two pH increments less basic than bicarb.
>
> http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=58
>
> So, your first response looks like a better answer to me, Joe.
>
> :)
>
> --Winston

Thanks, Winston.

Chemistry was kind of a hobby of mine when I was in high school, but I
never found the time to take a college chemistry course.

I was pretty sure about the "dual action" of sodium bicarbonate because
years ago, as I remember, a friend majoring in biology told me about its
buffering qualities. This was possibly in regard to first-aid for acid or
alkaline spills on skin in the lab.

All of us responders to the OP still do not know what battery chemistry is
involved in the "mess". I have found alkaline dry-cell leaks to be messy
looking with all that white powder, but quite harmless to the battery
contacts.

It *would* be a hoot if the "mess" was caused by a lead-acid battery.
That of course would require serious effort and care.

--- Joe
From: Winston on 24 Jul 2010 02:19
On 7/23/2010 10:11 PM, Joe wrote:

(...)

> It *would* be a hoot if the "mess" was caused by a lead-acid battery.
> That of course would require serious effort and care.

HooBoy.

--Winston
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