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From: J G Miller on 24 May 2010 13:15 On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:12:01 +0000, J G Miller wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:08:46 -0500, Joel wrote: > >> and I am real sure most people use notebook more >> *than Linux has to offer*. > > On what evidence do you base this conlusion? .... this con*c*lusion? Especially since you have already declared "I have never looked at Linux" and therefore have no knowledge of what GNU/Linux does have to offer.
From: Gorby on 25 May 2010 20:29 On 25/05/2010 7:12 AM, Joel wrote: > J G Miller<miller(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:08:46 -0500, Joel wrote: >> >>> and I am real sure most people use notebook more than Linux has to offer. >> >> On what evidence do you base this conlusion? > > Base on a handful of people just learned the idea. I *have* used a Netbook with Windows and Linux. Netbooks can't do a lot in Windows, because the are low powered CPUs and small amounts of RAM. And, more importantly, they have small screens. You do a lot of scrolling just to see stuff, on a netbook. Bit of a pain if you are using an inbuilt touch pad. I found using Office2007 with its ribbon interface took even more screen real estate. As I said before Netbooks are great for doing things that you can't do on your smartphone. I can see no need for one other than intermittent, casual use while travelling. If you have real work then use your laptop or work/home PC. I noticed that Netbooks originally were sold with Linux, but quickly changed to Windows, as that is better known. I think that was a mistake. I have played around with my EeePC Netbook, with Windows XP, Windows 7 and Linux (Ubuntu - I've heard that there are better distributions for Netbooks). Windows XP was usable, Windows 7 was better, yet Linux seemed the best for what I wanted (but not by much - Better screen real estate)
From: Gorby on 26 May 2010 19:52 > > And I never lie to myself, or I never said that there is none Linux user. > And as I said that the number is very very very and very small, and Linux > only OS user on notebook is very rare to *almost* none. > > I always have notebook, but I don't use notebook for anything but as > storage for my photography. I do have 2 portable storages which I no longer > use because the size of memory card is getting much larger and cheaper, so > now I copy directly to notebook which I can transfer to my web site as well > as showing people the photo (from notebook or web site). > > So even me who don't use notebook daily (for school or work like most > people do) as well as I should have no problem with Linux still don't care > for Linux. And I don't think Linux is much difference or more complicate > than Unix, CP/M, or DOS. > > Here, my children and grand-children are using notebooks (they don't have > desktop) for business, teaching (1 is professor teaching in univercity, 1 is > high school teacher), and school (colleges and hi-schools). And none of > them know or care for Linux, only some grandkids asked me about MAC because > they were worrying about VIRUS that MAC doesn't have, and I told them to > stick with PC instead. > > And if you ask me why PC.. then the answer is cheaper and more aps to > chose. OK! I thought you were talking about Netbooks, not Notebooks! Notebooks are Laptops. PCs with Intel or AMD multi-core CPUs (the new ones anyway). With full sized screens. And more RAM. Netbooks have the Intel Atom CPUs. These CPUs are (at the moment) single cored, very low power usage processors. Netbooks also have small screens (usually 10" or less). And less RAM. They aren't designed to compete with Notebooks (Laptops). I have a Notebook (Laptop). It runs Windows XP. Because that was what was installed when I bought it. I have a Netbook, as well. It originally came pre-loaded with Windows XP. I experimented with Windows 7 and Linux. I came to the conclusion that Linux was the best fit on a Netbook, because of the small screen real estate. I do not really worry much about Linux. All I care about is that I can run a GUI to load the applications I want to use. I do not use command line. On a Netbook, the Linux GUI (Gnome) is better than the Windows GUI.
From: Gorby on 27 May 2010 07:57
On 27/05/2010 8:28 PM, Joel wrote: > Gorby<Gorby(a)OldRussian.Empire.not> wrote: > >> >>> >>> And I never lie to myself, or I never said that there is none Linux user. >>> And as I said that the number is very very very and very small, and Linux >>> only OS user on notebook is very rare to *almost* none. >>> >>> I always have notebook, but I don't use notebook for anything but as >>> storage for my photography. I do have 2 portable storages which I no longer >>> use because the size of memory card is getting much larger and cheaper, so >>> now I copy directly to notebook which I can transfer to my web site as well >>> as showing people the photo (from notebook or web site). >>> >>> So even me who don't use notebook daily (for school or work like most >>> people do) as well as I should have no problem with Linux still don't care >>> for Linux. And I don't think Linux is much difference or more complicate >>> than Unix, CP/M, or DOS. >>> >>> Here, my children and grand-children are using notebooks (they don't have >>> desktop) for business, teaching (1 is professor teaching in univercity, 1 is >>> high school teacher), and school (colleges and hi-schools). And none of >>> them know or care for Linux, only some grandkids asked me about MAC because >>> they were worrying about VIRUS that MAC doesn't have, and I told them to >>> stick with PC instead. >>> >>> And if you ask me why PC.. then the answer is cheaper and more aps to >>> chose. >> OK! I thought you were talking about Netbooks, not Notebooks! > > I didn't pay any attention to the "Netbook" and misread as "notebook", and > I don't own any Netbook to know more about it. I have always thought > besides the SIZE they are pretty much the same. > > One of my grand-daughters got tired of dragging her normal size (14.x" > laptop) so she upgraded to more expensive and smaller screen to (11-12" ?). > My brother in-law bought a cheap small netbook (?) for around $300 which is > pretty much similar to regular notebook except 10" screen, too small to have > DVD etc. > >> Notebooks are Laptops. PCs with Intel or AMD multi-core CPUs (the new >> ones anyway). With full sized screens. And more RAM. > > What screen size is full sized screen? Mine and all other notebooks in my > hourse are from 14.x" to 15.x", except one of my grand-daughters is smaller > than normal and it's more expensive too. It has everything > >> Netbooks have the Intel Atom CPUs. These CPUs are (at the moment) single >> cored, very low power usage processors. Netbooks also have small screens >> (usually 10" or less). And less RAM. They aren't designed to compete >> with Notebooks (Laptops). > > Got it now! (thanks) so Netbook is kinda a notebook just for internet, > which I never paid attention to word "NET" vs "NOTE" > >> I have a Notebook (Laptop). It runs Windows XP. Because that was what >> was installed when I bought it. >> >> I have a Netbook, as well. It originally came pre-loaded with Windows >> XP. I experimented with Windows 7 and Linux. I came to the conclusion >> that Linux was the best fit on a Netbook, because of the small screen >> real estate. >> >> I do not really worry much about Linux. All I care about is that I can >> run a GUI to load the applications I want to use. I do not use command >> line. On a Netbook, the Linux GUI (Gnome) is better than the Windows GUI. > > And as I said, most or 99.x% of Notebook users buy notebook ro run their > daily aps (for school and business etc.) not to have faster OS not to run > their aps. I think we both agree with each other. You can buy the smaller laptops (and they do cost more). They are quite nice machines. My Asus EeePC Netbook has a screen size of 10.1 inches, and a resolution of 1024x600. Laptops have a minimum of 1024x768 pixels. Those extra 168 pixels make quite a difference. I found that on a 1024x600 screen, that I had to scroll a lot to see a full page. Most web sites are optimised for screens with a minimum of 768 pixels high. Windows also uses more space for its start bar. I know you can turn this off (have it disappear) but it keeps popping up while I'm doing all that scrolling. The Linux Gnome interface is smaller, and doesn't seem to get in the way as much. The Open Office app also is smaller, and allows me to see more on the smaller Netbook screen. I do not run my daily business on the Netbook. I could, but it would be more fiddly. I'm running Windows 7 on my PCs, and XP on the laptop. My son is a teacher, also. His school uses both Windows and Linux at the back end. I think the Linux machine is their firewall, and maybe Webserver. I'm not sure. My son is not the IT guy. |