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From: the wharf rat on 21 Dec 2009 23:52
In article <hgpbon$gu8$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM(a)neo.rr.com> wrote:
>Did you miss the point that she had LCD screen problems and that all of
>the other stuff she described was done with an external monitor? I
>think that the laptop was dropped.

What's that got to do with anything? The LCD is unreadable, it
won't complete the boot process using an external monitor. Next test
is will it boot from cd? If it boots from cd using an external monitor
we can rule out most components right away. It's got to be the LCD, the
connection(s) from the LCD to the motherboard, or as a distant third damage
to the motherboard that ONLY affects video.

OTOH if it won't boot from a cdrom it's almost a sure thing the
motherboard is damaged, or that more than one component (lcd and hard drive,
for instance) are damaged.

If it's A I'd take a shot at repairing it by removing the battery,
removing the keyboard, and resetting the ribbon cable to the LCD. If that
fails - the rest of the machine's fine right? since it boots to an external -
I'd try and get a top half (lcd and plastic and hinges) on Ebay and do the
swap. That's an easy enough bit of work, usually.

If it's B I'd think about replacing the unit since it's seldom
cost effective to repair multiple major components.

Put that in your buffer and push it :-)

From: the wharf rat on 21 Dec 2009 23:53
In article <hgpbmf$gu8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM(a)neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>[Yes, you can try plugging the hard drive into another computer to
>recover files; it may or may not be successful (the symptoms suggest
>that the hard drive is damaged but not dead; MOST files are probably
>recoverable). You will need a USB to {SATA or IDE} adapter, about $10-$15.]
>

I've had great success at these kinds of recoveries by attaching the
drive to a Linux system. That's because you can force Linux to mount
a damaged file system and work with it.

From: BillW50 on 22 Dec 2009 00:21
the wharf rat wrote:
> In article <hgpbon$gu8$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM(a)neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> Did you miss the point that she had LCD screen problems and that all of
>> the other stuff she described was done with an external monitor? I
>> think that the laptop was dropped.
>
> What's that got to do with anything? The LCD is unreadable, it
> won't complete the boot process using an external monitor. Next test
> is will it boot from cd? If it boots from cd using an external monitor
> we can rule out most components right away. It's got to be the LCD, the
> connection(s) from the LCD to the motherboard, or as a distant third damage
> to the motherboard that ONLY affects video.
>
> OTOH if it won't boot from a cdrom it's almost a sure thing the
> motherboard is damaged, or that more than one component (lcd and hard drive,
> for instance) are damaged.
>
> If it's A I'd take a shot at repairing it by removing the battery,
> removing the keyboard, and resetting the ribbon cable to the LCD. If that
> fails - the rest of the machine's fine right? since it boots to an external -
> I'd try and get a top half (lcd and plastic and hinges) on Ebay and do the
> swap. That's an easy enough bit of work, usually.
>
> If it's B I'd think about replacing the unit since it's seldom
> cost effective to repair multiple major components.
>
> Put that in your buffer and push it :-)
>

Let's see, it works fine until Windows starts to boot up and then the
display goes. (could be either the hard drive or the video at this point).

Runs safe mode and all is well until it loads "CRCDISK.SYS" and freezes.
Now it sounds like the hard drive is bad.

Boots from the recovery disc just fine (no need to try a Linux CD now).
Although crashes when it tries to write to the hard drive. It is really
looking like a hard drive now and nothing to do with the video.

If it isn't the hard drive, it could be the RAM. As the data passing
through the RAM anyway and if that is corrupting it, looks like a bad
hard drive. If neither the RAM or the hard drive, bad motherboard.

Also no need for Linux to try to read the hard drive anyway. The
non-functioning Windows is already reading it. What do you think a
functioning one will do?

Besides telling a Windows user to fire up a Linux CD is a pretty bad
idea anyway. Since most don't know anything about Linux and they will
never find the drive letter anyway. <wink>


--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)
From: the wharf rat on 22 Dec 2009 01:18
In article <hgpkv7$sgt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
BillW50 <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:
>
>Also no need for Linux to try to read the hard drive anyway. The
>non-functioning Windows is already reading it. What do you think a
>functioning one will do?
>
Tell us if it's a damaged hard drive or just a damaged file system.

From: Barry Watzman on 22 Dec 2009 11:53
The point is that once you have a slightly older laptop with both a
broken LCD and a bad hard drive, it is very rarely worth fixing, e.g.
the solution is a new laptop.


the wharf rat wrote:
> In article <hgpbon$gu8$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM(a)neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> Did you miss the point that she had LCD screen problems and that all of
>> the other stuff she described was done with an external monitor? I
>> think that the laptop was dropped.
>
> What's that got to do with anything? The LCD is unreadable, it
> won't complete the boot process using an external monitor. Next test
> is will it boot from cd? If it boots from cd using an external monitor
> we can rule out most components right away. It's got to be the LCD, the
> connection(s) from the LCD to the motherboard, or as a distant third damage
> to the motherboard that ONLY affects video.
>
> OTOH if it won't boot from a cdrom it's almost a sure thing the
> motherboard is damaged, or that more than one component (lcd and hard drive,
> for instance) are damaged.
>
> If it's A I'd take a shot at repairing it by removing the battery,
> removing the keyboard, and resetting the ribbon cable to the LCD. If that
> fails - the rest of the machine's fine right? since it boots to an external -
> I'd try and get a top half (lcd and plastic and hinges) on Ebay and do the
> swap. That's an easy enough bit of work, usually.
>
> If it's B I'd think about replacing the unit since it's seldom
> cost effective to repair multiple major components.
>
> Put that in your buffer and push it :-)
>
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