Conjugate attributes in quantum mechanics
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From: BURT on 28 May 2010 20:57 Momentum and position are considered mutually exclusive. But how can this be if in order to determine momentum we must know about position and how it is changing? Mitch Raemsch
From: spudnik on 28 May 2010 21:47 I never googol a God-am thing -- go to a God-am library, fool! thusNso: although global warming is almost entirely a) computerized simulacra, and b) very selective reporting, it seems that the effects we have on landscapes & atmosphere are much larger than could be accounted for, merely by measuring the gasses that are the end result (agricultural turnover of CO2 is much greater than that from cars or electricity e.g.; there may have been no jet stream, before the ivention of jets e.g.). water vapor is far & away the greatest "glass house gas," yet CO2 is the one that is not presewnt in three or four phases in the background, and is #2 (also, as John Muir dyscovered, you can be nearly smothered by it, just by digging a 40' well for your grumpy dad-unit, by hand .-) so, stop Waxman's capNtrade rip-off; institute a tiny, adjustable tax on carbon,instead of "free trade, free beer, free dumb." a combination of nuclear & solar etc. in space, might alleviate some of the needs in here (with or without the Satellevator Synchrongeos, which seems totally unworkable, with or without graphenes). thusNso: well, the textbook method is quite questionable, iff you have access to the original monographs of the dyscoverers. but, what I was going to type, just now, is that *mathematica* is not a program from the Wolframites ("yo, my daddy dyscovered an element!"), but it is four subjects (*quadrivium* in Latin .-)... if Timmy wants to pretend that he can grok it all, de novo, it might take a while. > The response is in any basic textbook. That you refuse to read one thusNso: I was reading one of Brown's books, and he is pretty-much in the officious opinions of the Second Church of England, Newton, about the "separation of science & religion," the idolization of Galileo (as in, Galileo started the Illuminati, sheesh, the background to the one where he relays the officially unofficial Anglican doctrine about the Chosen (British) People. well-paced, though. > religion. It is fairly clear to me that progress will not lay in the > direction of negating time http://bandtechnology.com thusNso: if the proofs of Bell's inequalities are interpreted to mean that EPR were wrong, then you *should* transmit info faster than lightwaves. a lot of the formalistic "paradox" goes by the wauyside, by not enlisting the rock o'light to impart the "momentum" to the atoms, electromagnetically. maybe, the confusion is not helped, that EPR et al were wedded to that "photon" being a particle. well, if there's is only one thing that can't be a particle -- except in some equatiopnal form with momentum -- it is waves of light in space -- not Pascal's Plenum! never much cared for stuff from Templeton Prize Pop Sci, kind of an Anglican thing, in Philadelphia, as I recall. > For one thing, there's an arbitrary phase factor exp(i*theta) > I think. Rather, it's a probabilistic theory tool. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/mar/17/templeton-quantum-... --Light: A History! http://wlym.com
From: Sue... on 28 May 2010 22:01 On May 28, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Momentum and position are considered mutually exclusive. But how can > this be if in order to determine momentum we must know about position > and how it is changing? It is about uncertainty. For example, folks that have never attended a "Sara Signing" are uncertain if Todd ia a poor fisherman or an oil hack. Another example: A drill string raises the temperature of a 100 litre bucket of unpolluted fresh water by 1 degree C by splashing through the surface. Can you calculate the momentum of the drill string without knowing whether the bucket in in the country of Africa or within sight of Russia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule#Practical_examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation_of_linear_momentum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Palin#Career Sue... > > Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 29 May 2010 11:55 On May 28, 7:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Momentum and position are considered mutually exclusive. The above is an incorrect statement. > But how can > this be if in order to determine momentum we must know about position > and how it is changing? > > Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 29 May 2010 15:16
On May 29, 8:55 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 28, 7:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Momentum and position are considered mutually exclusive. > > The above is an incorrect statement. > Momentum and position measurement are considered mutually exclusive in the Quantum Mechanics. Butr you need to know one to know the other. Mitch Raemsch > > > > But how can > > this be if in order to determine momentum we must know about position > > and how it is changing? > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |