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From: "FromTheRafters" erratic on 8 Feb 2010 20:18 "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:b741n59mjnn15206q6o5bif6u2on412es8(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:43:30 -0500, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > >> Yeah, it seems that a large percentage of experts or the most >> knowledgeable people ARE from foreign non-English native language >> nations. The same holds true for Linux and other OSs. >> That does not, however, excuse those whose native language IS >> English >> and their poor grammar and writing, though per most info, the general >> scale is around 8th grade reading and comprehension skills with even >> lower writing abilities [around 6th grade]. For instance: I must >> limit >> my writing style to 12th grade level [in formal documents] or even >> college graduates and supposed professionals get lost; and this is >> not >> meant as anything more than a plain statement of fact [born out in >> the >> courts], e.g., it is not a derogatory comment nor bragging. > > > I normally avoid correcting people's spelling, grammar, or usage > errors, but considering what you've said here, let me point out two > things: > > 1. That last phrase in parentheses should be "borne out in court." > > 2. The "e.g." in that last sentence should be "i. e." ....and I suppose a purist would insist on the either/or pairing - neither nor in this case. I usually don't comment on such things because my own language usage is far from perfect. My point was that many legitimate websites would be suspicious looking if proper language usage was the only gauge. Many of Microsoft's own pages could use proofreading.
From: Ken Blake, MVP on 8 Feb 2010 20:25 On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:18:56 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:b741n59mjnn15206q6o5bif6u2on412es8(a)4ax.com... > > On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:43:30 -0500, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Yeah, it seems that a large percentage of experts or the most > >> knowledgeable people ARE from foreign non-English native language > >> nations. The same holds true for Linux and other OSs. > >> That does not, however, excuse those whose native language IS > >> English > >> and their poor grammar and writing, though per most info, the general > >> scale is around 8th grade reading and comprehension skills with even > >> lower writing abilities [around 6th grade]. For instance: I must > >> limit > >> my writing style to 12th grade level [in formal documents] or even > >> college graduates and supposed professionals get lost; and this is > >> not > >> meant as anything more than a plain statement of fact [born out in > >> the > >> courts], e.g., it is not a derogatory comment nor bragging. > > > > > > I normally avoid correcting people's spelling, grammar, or usage > > errors, but considering what you've said here, let me point out two > > things: > > > > 1. That last phrase in parentheses should be "borne out in court." > > > > 2. The "e.g." in that last sentence should be "i. e." > > ...and I suppose a purist would insist on the either/or pairing - > neither nor in this case. Right! I missed that. > > I usually don't comment on such things because my own language usage is > far from perfect. My point was that many legitimate websites would be > suspicious looking if proper language usage was the only gauge. I usually don't comment on such things because despite not being perfect myself, it's simply rude. I commented in this case only because I was commenting on the English of a commenter. > Many of > Microsoft's own pages could use proofreading. Yep! -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: "FromTheRafters" erratic on 8 Feb 2010 20:26 "MEB" <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u14%23lJSqKHA.6140(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... [...] > WRONG, but YOU are welcome to believe whatever YOU want. I will argue > with you if you wish. We can begin anytime you wish. [...] This is the complaint department, arguments are across the hall and two doors down. Apologies to Monty Python for the departmental restructuring.
From: MEB on 9 Feb 2010 00:36 On 02/08/2010 08:25 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:18:56 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <erratic > @nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message >> news:b741n59mjnn15206q6o5bif6u2on412es8(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:43:30 -0500, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Yeah, it seems that a large percentage of experts or the most >>>> knowledgeable people ARE from foreign non-English native language >>>> nations. The same holds true for Linux and other OSs. >>>> That does not, however, excuse those whose native language IS >>>> English >>>> and their poor grammar and writing, though per most info, the general >>>> scale is around 8th grade reading and comprehension skills with even >>>> lower writing abilities [around 6th grade]. For instance: I must >>>> limit >>>> my writing style to 12th grade level [in formal documents] or even >>>> college graduates and supposed professionals get lost; and this is >>>> not >>>> meant as anything more than a plain statement of fact [born out in >>>> the >>>> courts], e.g., it is not a derogatory comment nor bragging. >>> >>> >>> I normally avoid correcting people's spelling, grammar, or usage >>> errors, but considering what you've said here, let me point out two >>> things: >>> >>> 1. That last phrase in parentheses should be "borne out in court." >>> >>> 2. The "e.g." in that last sentence should be "i. e." >> >> ...and I suppose a purist would insist on the either/or pairing - >> neither nor in this case. > > > Right! I missed that. > > >> >> I usually don't comment on such things because my own language usage is >> far from perfect. My point was that many legitimate websites would be >> suspicious looking if proper language usage was the only gauge. > > > > I usually don't comment on such things because despite not being > perfect myself, it's simply rude. I commented in this case only > because I was commenting on the English of a commenter. > > >> Many of >> Microsoft's own pages could use proofreading. > > > Yep! > Wrong to both of you, let me explain for those without the intellect to understand. FIRST, take the WHOLE statement as ONE THOUGHT. The beginning is: "That does not," the ending is: "nor bragging." Take particular note of the punctuation included within the PARAGRAPH... Now "born out in the courts" means: The concepts idea was birthed [born] within the court system over the course of mankind's existence. [born out in the courts]. NOT as borne [carried, issued, displayed, or otherwise] in the courts, records, judgments or otherwise, as you wrote. YOU change the tenor and meaning by simply removing a key word "the". YOUR "borne out in court." makes sense IF I were using those specific records or rulings in which the issues were broached or reflected. That IS NOT what I wrote, is it.. Moreover, borne is the past participle of bear. NEXT the e.g. verses the i.e.. The use of e.g. is appropriate when examples are given. The EXAMPLE (exempli gratia) complaints were listed as: "it is not (1.) a derogatory comment nor (2.) bragging". Do the number indicators help you? Now for the either/or verses neither/nor or as I wrote - is not/nor. Best look again... *is not* and *nor* in particular. Now if you wish I DO have Webster's Collegiate Dictionary within reach, and a second dictionary/thesaurus which has a nifty second on grammatical issues and usage, etc.. Plus, if you care to, run what I posted through Flesch-Kincaid or similar grammatical check tool using the different writing formats. When you have done that, run your own postings for comparison. If you want a real treat and enlightenment, do several of your prior postings... Now actually READ and TRY to comprehend what I wrote. And next time either keep your mouths shut or we can do the Usenet "dance". -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___---
From: "FromTheRafters" erratic on 9 Feb 2010 07:31
"MEB" <MEB-not-here(a)hotair.com> wrote in message news:ehX4hnUqKHA.6140(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Wrong to both of you, let me explain for those without the intellect > to > understand. All I said was "I suppose a purist would..." If you could read (and comprehend) as well as write, you probably wouldn't have argued that point because "right or wrong" was not the issue. If you wish to argue about what a purist would or would not insist on, you would still have to deal with the fact that it was also a supposition on my part. I think that your skills are needed more here: http://www.hotairballooning.com/ |