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From: EricF on 10 Jan 2010 01:28
Hi all, I've been a long time Eudora user. Way back when all my files were in
the Eudora directory, and moving from machine to machine was copying the
directory, and upgrades were done over upgrades.

Now I'm on Windows 7 and I really have no complaint. Eudora is fine. I've read
the advice of separating the data from the program and I agree. So just what
moves where and what needs to change? Or should I just leave things as they
are?

Thanks,

Eric
From: Stan Bischof on 11 Jan 2010 10:33
EricF <eric(a)invalid.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I've been a long time Eudora user. Way back when all my files
> were in the Eudora directory, and moving from machine to machine was
> copying the directory, and upgrades were done over upgrades.
>
> Now I'm on Windows 7 and I really have no complaint. Eudora is fine.
> I've read the advice of separating the data from the program and I
> agree. So just what moves where and what needs to change? Or should I
> just leave things as they are?
>

fairly trivial- and it works on all versions of Windows:

(1) choose data directory whwrever you want. Win 7
defaults to C:\users\<login> if memory serves. Would suggest
then C:\users\<login>\mail but anywhere else including
network share is fine.

(2) create shortcut that executes
<full path to Eudora install>\eudora.exe C:\users\<login>\mail
( or your chosen directory ) .

Start Eudora using this shortcut. All data including prefernces,
attachments, etc will be stored in the chosen directory.

Stan
From: John H Meyers on 11 Jan 2010 18:30
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:48 -0600, EricF wrote:

> Hi all, I've been a long time Eudora user. Way back when all my files were in
> the Eudora directory, and moving from machine to machine was copying the
> directory, and upgrades were done over upgrades.
>
> Now I'm on Windows 7 and I really have no complaint. Eudora is fine. I've read
> the advice of separating the data from the program and I agree. So just what
> moves where and what needs to change? Or should I just leave things as they
> are?

What version of Eudora are you using?

Where is your "Data" folder? ("Help" > "About Eudora" shows its path,
and you can click on that path in version 7.1 to open the folder).

If your "Data" folder is within the system "program files" tree
and everything works fine, then you are an exception to the rule
that it usually doesn't, and you might want to share your secret of success
(or perhaps you will encounter eventual problems, as is common).

The essential issue is that in Vista and in Windows 7,
Windows itself _restricts_ the system's own "program files" area,
disallowing applications, in general, from updating or writing anything new
into that area, so if you are keeping any mail and settings in that area,
those files can not be updated, nor can new files be written there,
unless specific steps are performed to turn off those restrictions
(which turns off the security against virus threats at the same time,
so it is not in general recommended to do this).

Windows instead re-directs any such writing into "VirtualStore" folders elsewhere,
which eventually becomes apparent, and your data then becomes hard to re-assemble
into a coherent form in one single place.

References at Qualcomm Eudora forums:

General announcement re Vista and Windows 7:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/announcement.php?f=7

Problem-free move of 7.1 from XP to Windows 7 (or Vista)
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=43741

You _can_ keep a "single folder" set-up unaltered
if you place it _outside_ of the _restricted_ area,
or if you turn off the program files protection,
either of which reduces general security against viruses:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=43738

If one suggests that combining mail and programs
somehow better backs up the program files,
I say that keeping the _original_installer_
is a better backup of the program files,
because you may still need that installer on a new version of Windows,
to accomplish complete integration of Eudora with Windows.

If you want to make a "portable" version of Eudora,
e.g. on a USB stick or drive, you can always do it this way:

Top-level folder: Eudora (everything)
Subfolders: Programs, Data (separated)

You can also then launch Eudora from the USB drive,
in a "drive letter independent" manner,
by "dragging" the "Data" folder to the Eudora.exe program itself.

--
From: EricF on 16 Jan 2010 01:18
In article <4b4b44af$0$1611$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, Stan Bischof <stan(a)newserve.worldbadminton.com> wrote:
>EricF <eric(a)invalid.com> wrote:
>> Hi all, I've been a long time Eudora user. Way back when all my files
>> were in the Eudora directory, and moving from machine to machine was
>> copying the directory, and upgrades were done over upgrades.
>>
>> Now I'm on Windows 7 and I really have no complaint. Eudora is fine.
>> I've read the advice of separating the data from the program and I
>> agree. So just what moves where and what needs to change? Or should I
>> just leave things as they are?
>>
>
>fairly trivial- and it works on all versions of Windows:
>
>(1) choose data directory whwrever you want. Win 7
>defaults to C:\users\<login> if memory serves. Would suggest
>then C:\users\<login>\mail but anywhere else including
>network share is fine.
>
>(2) create shortcut that executes
><full path to Eudora install>\eudora.exe C:\users\<login>\mail
>( or your chosen directory ) .
>
>Start Eudora using this shortcut. All data including prefernces,
>attachments, etc will be stored in the chosen directory.
>
>Stan

Thanks Stan. I'll give it a try.

Eric
From: EricF on 16 Jan 2010 01:25
In article <op.u6d58yufnn735j(a)miu.edu>, "John H Meyers" <jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:48 -0600, EricF wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I've been a long time Eudora user. Way back when all my files =
>were in
>> the Eudora directory, and moving from machine to machine was copying t=
>he
>> directory, and upgrades were done over upgrades.
>>
>> Now I'm on Windows 7 and I really have no complaint. Eudora is fine. I=
>'ve read
>> the advice of separating the data from the program and I agree. So jus=
>t what
>> moves where and what needs to change? Or should I just leave things as=
> they
>> are?
>
>What version of Eudora are you using?
>
>Where is your "Data" folder? ("Help" > "About Eudora" shows its path,
>and you can click on that path in version 7.1 to open the folder).
>
>If your "Data" folder is within the system "program files" tree
>and everything works fine, then you are an exception to the rule
>that it usually doesn't, and you might want to share your secret of succ=
>ess
>(or perhaps you will encounter eventual problems, as is common).
>
>The essential issue is that in Vista and in Windows 7,
>Windows itself _restricts_ the system's own "program files" area,
>disallowing applications, in general, from updating or writing anything =
>new
>into that area, so if you are keeping any mail and settings in that area=
>,
>those files can not be updated, nor can new files be written there,
>unless specific steps are performed to turn off those restrictions
>(which turns off the security against virus threats at the same time,
>so it is not in general recommended to do this).
>
>Windows instead re-directs any such writing into "VirtualStore" folders =
>elsewhere,
>which eventually becomes apparent, and your data then becomes hard to re=
>-assemble
>into a coherent form in one single place.
>
>References at Qualcomm Eudora forums:
>
>General announcement re Vista and Windows 7:
>http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/announcement.php?f=3D7
>
>Problem-free move of 7.1 from XP to Windows 7 (or Vista)
>http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=3D43741
>
>You _can_ keep a "single folder" set-up unaltered
>if you place it _outside_ of the _restricted_ area,
>or if you turn off the program files protection,
>either of which reduces general security against viruses:
>http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=3D43738
>
>If one suggests that combining mail and programs
>somehow better backs up the program files,
>I say that keeping the _original_installer_
>is a better backup of the program files,
>because you may still need that installer on a new version of Windows,
>to accomplish complete integration of Eudora with Windows.
>
>If you want to make a "portable" version of Eudora,
>e.g. on a USB stick or drive, you can always do it this way:
>
>Top-level folder: Eudora (everything)
>Subfolders: Programs, Data (separated)
>
>You can also then launch Eudora from the USB drive,
>in a "drive letter independent" manner,
>by "dragging" the "Data" folder to the Eudora.exe program itself.
>
>-- =

Thanks for the reply John. I am using version 7.1.0.9.

The data and programs are in D:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora. I suspect the D
drive is not restricted.

Reading your comments makes me wonder if there is a security risk not throwing
everything into 1 big bucket on the c:\ drive, though that has its own share
of problems.

Eric
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