Dawkins mathematical concept of Design
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From: Nunemica on 11 Nov 2009 17:18 On Nov 10, 1:31 pm, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Nunemica wrote: > > On Nov 9, 6:03 am, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Again, Dawkins makes an arbitrary selection of elements or properties > and then calls them "survival benefits". But he has no model for > survival or benefits. I think the model is based on: If a trait exists then it is because it has survivals benefits. And if Dawkins disapproves of any of these traits then they are by-products of former survival benefits that are now redundant (e.g. religion in humans) > > Natural Selection is after all an omnipresent, > > omnipotent, omniscient force if we take Charles Darwins description > > into account. So even Natural Selection is governed by a life > > affirming set of elements. > > I don't think Dawkins would agree with that. I present an extract from Darwin's "The Origin of Species" Chapter 4 - Natural Selection: "It may be said that natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinising, throughout the world, every variation, even the slightest; rejecting that which is bad, preserving and adding up all that is good; silently and insensibly working, whenever and wherever opportunity offers, at the improvement of each organic being in relation to its organic and inorganic conditions of life. We see nothing of these slow changes in progress, until the hand of time has marked the long lapses of ages, and then so imperfect is our view into long past geological ages, that we only see that the forms of life are now different from what they formerly were. Although natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being, yet characters and structures, which we are apt to consider as of very trifling importance, may thus be acted on." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm the guiding hand of Natural Selection throughout the world, day and night scrutinizing every variation - rejecting the bad - preserving the good...........working at the improvement of each orgainc being....... This reads like omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient to me.
From: John Jones on 11 Nov 2009 18:39 Nunemica wrote: > On Nov 10, 1:31 pm, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Nunemica wrote: >>> On Nov 9, 6:03 am, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> Again, Dawkins makes an arbitrary selection of elements or properties >> and then calls them "survival benefits". But he has no model for >> survival or benefits. > > I think the model is based on: If a trait exists then it is because it > has survivals benefits. And if Dawkins disapproves of any of these > traits then they are by-products of former survival benefits that are > now redundant (e.g. religion in humans) > > >>> Natural Selection is after all an omnipresent, >>> omnipotent, omniscient force if we take Charles Darwins description >>> into account. So even Natural Selection is governed by a life >>> affirming set of elements. >> I don't think Dawkins would agree with that. > > I present an extract from Darwin's "The Origin of Species" > Chapter 4 - Natural Selection: > > "It may be said that natural selection is daily and hourly > scrutinising, throughout the world, every variation, even the > slightest; rejecting that which is bad, preserving and adding up all > that is good; silently and insensibly working, whenever and wherever > opportunity offers, at the improvement of each organic being in > relation to its organic and inorganic conditions of life. We see > nothing of these slow changes in progress, until the hand of time has > marked the long lapses of ages, and then so imperfect is our view into > long past geological ages, that we only see that the forms of life are > now different from what they formerly were. > > Although natural selection can act only through and for the > good of each being, yet characters and structures, which we are apt to > consider as of very trifling importance, may thus be acted on." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmm the guiding hand of Natural Selection throughout the world, day > and night scrutinizing every variation - rejecting the bad - > preserving the good...........working at the improvement of each > orgainc being....... > > This reads like omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient to me. Dawkins model is, at the end of a day, a grammatical puzzle to be solved and dissipated, and not a clarification of the origin or design issues of life.
From: Nunemica on 15 Nov 2009 06:17
On Nov 10, 2:00 pm, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.net> wrote: > I'd not call it a great storm. Not yet. Please read _A New Kind of > Science_ by Wolfram. Oh my gosh - I was so intrigued by this tomb I ordered a copy through Amazon! |