Prev: Testing: Weekly Build - 7/26/2010
Next: my (simple) sudoers doesn't work
From: Robert Holtzman on 31 Jul 2010 13:30
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:56:12AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:38:28 Camaleón wrote:
> > > He will never buy the last two links. They don't say they are the
> > > "Official Debian Way".
> >
> > Why not? As long as Debian sticks to FSH 2.3 (with the exceptions
> > mentioned in the first link from Debian Policy Manual) I think the last
> > two links full match his requirements and better yet, explain the "which
> > dir if for what" question.
>
> I think that you have missed the humour, Camaleón. That is the difficulty of
> a cross-culture, cross-language ml. :-(

Not *completely* humorous. The OP seems obsessed with "Officialness" and
"Debianness" to an inordinate degree. (Look Ma, I made up two words.)

--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"
From: Lisi on 31 Jul 2010 17:20
On Saturday 31 July 2010 18:21:14 Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:56:12AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:38:28 Camaleón wrote:
> > > > He will never buy the last two links. They don't say they are the
> > > > "Official Debian Way".
> > >
> > > Why not? As long as Debian sticks to FSH 2.3 (with the exceptions
> > > mentioned in the first link from Debian Policy Manual) I think the last
> > > two links full match his requirements and better yet, explain the
> > > "which dir if for what" question.
> >
> > I think that you have missed the humour, Camaleón. That is the
> > difficulty of a cross-culture, cross-language ml. :-(
>
> Not *completely* humorous. The OP seems obsessed with "Officialness" and
> "Debianness" to an inordinate degree. (Look Ma, I made up two words.)

I entirely agree - but you were commenting on the OP not the fs, and I found
it wryly humerous.. Most good humour has a strong core of truth. If it were
nonsense it wouldn't be funny. (Unless it was utter gibberish, of course,
like e.g. The Jabberwocky.)

Sorry if it was meant entirely seriously (as Camaleón took it) and I was in
error in taking it in any other way.

Lisi


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201007312212.18090.lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 31 Jul 2010 17:20
On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:16:50 Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 31. 07. 2010 11:37:27 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a):
> > /var should be a filesystem that fully support POSIX locking
> > semantics, which
> > may mean "not NFS".
>
> Interesting. Makes me wonder how can this requirement be met when
> setting up diskless Debian clients (PXE boot over NFS)?

IIRC, some combinations of NFS server/client do support full POSIX locking
semantics.

Failing that: tmpfs and/or symlinks, possibly. Debian doesn't store lock
files in the same location as data files, so it may be possible to partition
it further into places that need locking (tmpfs) and places that store
persistent data (nfs).

It may even be that Debian only requires /var/lock to have full POSIX locking.
--
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =.
bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_))
ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-'
http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 31 Jul 2010 17:40
On Saturday 31 July 2010 04:37:27 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> For a multi-user system, all user-writable locations should be separate
> file systems from "system" file systems. At the least, /var/tmp, /tmp,
> and /home should be separate file systems. /dev/shm may be user writable,
> but in modern system /dev is already a tmpfs file system, so no worries.
> This is mainly to prevent users of filling up system disks and making
> trouble for the administrator. In the past, the also prevent a specific
> type of hardlink attack, but dpkg now prevents that attack independent of
> file system layout. If you run a daemon that allows users to store data
> which is put in /var, it should also be separate.

Here's the o+wt directories on my laptop. These are good candidates for
separating:
/var/lib/php5
/var/log/postgresql
/var/lock
/var/tmp
/var/spool/cron/crontabs
/var/spool/cron/atjobs
/var/spool/cron/atspool
/var/spool/cups/tmp
/var/spool/cups-pdf/ANONYMOUS
/usr/share/ppd/custom
/dev/shm
/tmp
--
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =.
bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_))
ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-'
http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: Robert Holtzman on 31 Jul 2010 21:20
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:12:17PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 31 July 2010 18:21:14 Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:56:12AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> >
> > Not *completely* humorous. The OP seems obsessed with "Officialness" and
> > "Debianness" to an inordinate degree. (Look Ma, I made up two words.)
>
> I entirely agree - but you were commenting on the OP not the fs, and I found
> it wryly humerous.. Most good humour has a strong core of truth. If it were
> nonsense it wouldn't be funny. (Unless it was utter gibberish, of course,
> like e.g. The Jabberwocky.)
>
> Sorry if it was meant entirely seriously (as Camaleón took it) and I was in
> error in taking it in any other way.

You were not in error. Notice I said "not *completely* humorous.

--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer"
First  |  Prev  | 
Pages: 1 2 3
Prev: Testing: Weekly Build - 7/26/2010
Next: my (simple) sudoers doesn't work