From: Ken S. Tucker on 11 Apr 2010 16:08 On Apr 11, 12:17 pm, "Jay R. Yablon" <jyab...(a)nycap.rr.com> wrote: > "Mike" <mj...(a)sirus.com> wrote in message > > news:9266ed57-9e56-4b84-b38f-af7945eaf1b2(a)c36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > On Apr 11, 11:39 am, Gerard Westendorp <west...(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> I would like to make a model that contains an observer. > >> But I can't figure out what an observer is. > >> Does anyone have a suggestion? > > >> Of course, I know the *I* am an observer, and probably other humans > >> are > >> too. But what is the *minimum* requirement for something to be an > >> observer? > > >> Gerard > > > I think an observer in physics is a frame of reference indicating > > where you are in time and space, how fast you are going, how you are > > accelerating, and what you can possibly measure. > > Gerard, > > Like Mike, I also tend to think of observer as frame of reference. But > I extend the usual suspects mentioned by Mike to the resolution of your > measuring instrument, i.e., how powerful is out "microscope" or whatever > we analogize to our microscope, which is also the "probe energy" mu > which tells us how far we penetrate the "screening" of the vacuum and > the "dressing" of undressed particle. > > I am in fact in the middle of preparing a detailed forthcoming posting > on this, for the "Planck scale physics" thread. > Jay I think the foundation of observation is the measurement of power. Letting "D" stand for a finite quantity, with a lower boundary near Plancks constant "h", then I'd define an observation as requiring an "Occurence", that is 'occurs' within a Volume DX DY DZ in a Time DT exchanging an Energy DE. In that case the power (Watts) is DE/DT applied to a Volume. A good example is photography, with an exposure of photographic film at a certain intensity (W) inputed into a Volume, that in turn changes the chemistry of the film, ((the bases of science and pornography)). An oscilloscope bleeds a tiny bit of power to display a waveform, and so does measuring airpressure in a car tire. Regards Ken S. Tucker
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