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From: Tim Meddick on 7 May 2010 18:05 I take the point about the value of defragmenting the page file, however, I'm sure there are certain circumstances where it could become an issue. But that is BTP as the OP wanted to know "how to" something, and all I'm doing is informing him "how to" do just that. But about it being "another startup item from a third party" Firstly, it is written by the same team who develop Windows. Although, strictly speaking Sysinternals has split financially from Microsoft, many of it's team members are still closely involved with M$. Also, it would not be classed as a "start-up item" like other start-up items and does not have to compete with other applications or the boot-up process itself, as it uses the Win32 API and executes well before the [Windows] shell is even loaded (i.e. well before the "Welcome" screen appears). == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message news:eJZahvi7KHA.6072(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > It's a negligible "problem" with no downsides so I'd wonder about the > value of adding another startup item from a third party to the boot > process. Unless the disk is way over 50% full, a kill of the pagefile, > restart, defrag, and put the pafegile back on will do it. Once it's set > in place, a pagefile is very unlikely to become fragmented until disk > space is almost gone and windows can no longer centralize the pagefile's > location on the disk. > > > In news:OzHlaNi7KHA.5644(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Tim Meddick <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> typed: >> As you know, you cannot defragment your page file while >> Windows is running. >> However, if you would like your page-file to be >> defragmented, then you can download "page defrag" >> (pagedfrg.exe) by Sysinternals (a former division of >> Microsoft). >> A small, very easy to use application that writes an entry >> in the registry to execute itself at the same point in the >> boot process where "chkdsk" runs (when configured to) >> before the pagefile becomes "locked" by Windows starting. >> >> Just start the application while Windows is running and >> specify where the pagefile is located, tick the "Run on >> every boot" check-box, and it will automatically run next, >> and every time Windows starts-up. >> Direct download link for Page Defrag : >> http://live.sysinternals.com/Files/PageDefrag.zip >> >> == >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> "John Callaway" <jcalla(a)erols.com> wrote in message >> news:lis7u5lmt0e9jvcrvo2r2k38kvpb11si2v(a)4ax.com... >>> When I defrag ny laptop (XP SP2), I notice two large green >>> blocks. I assumed that is the page file area. Is there >>> any way to keep them together instead of separate? There >>> was just one before I increased the page file size, so I >>> guess instead of adding it to the same area , it created a >>> new separate area. JPC > > >
From: Twayne on 8 May 2010 20:41 In news:eCK8lFj7KHA.4508(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl, Tim Meddick <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> typed: > I take the point about the value of defragmenting the page > file, however, I'm sure there are certain circumstances > where it could become an issue. But that is BTP as the OP > wanted to know "how to" something, and all I'm doing is > informing him "how to" do just that. No problem, Tim. I'd have directed it right at the OP if any of the prior posts were still showing but figured addressing it to you would at least give you a heads up that I was saying something a little different. 6 of one ... > > But about it being "another startup item from a third party" > > Firstly, it is written by the same team who develop > Windows. Although, strictly speaking Sysinternals has split > financially from Microsoft, many of it's team members are > still closely involved with M$. Actually, it was not; it was written prior to the acquision of Sysinternals by Microsoft, by then Sysinternals employees. So, "many of its team members" ARE involved with MS completely. It's just another example of Microsoft's purchasing the competition whenever they can. I think you have the MS/Sysinternals bit a little mixed up in your head: Windows Sysinternals[1] is a part of the Microsoft Technet web site which offers technical resources and utilities to manage, diagnose, troubleshoot and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment.[1] Originally, the Sysinternals website (formerly known as "ntinternals"[citation needed]) was created in 1996[1] and was operated by the company Winternals Software LP, which was located in Austin, Texas. It was started by software developers Bryce Cogswell and Mark Russinovich.[1] Microsoft acquired Winternals and its assets on July 18, 2006.[2] > > Also, it would not be classed as a "start-up item" like > other start-up items and does not have to compete with > other applications or the boot-up process itself, as it > uses the Win32 API and executes well before the [Windows] > shell is even loaded (i.e. well before the "Welcome" screen > appears). You completely miss my point, though I really didn't want to dwell on it. 3rd party software adds another layer of things that can go wrong, must be remembered for trouble-shooting purposes later on, and generally, most importantly, does nothing that XP cannot do natively and often easily. People pay money for nothing more than a compiled script that does nothing a batch file couldn't do. Windows in general has a lot of weaknesses, but it also has a lot of strengths, and the majority of 3rd party programs don't address the actual weaknesses; they address things neophytes might like to know, and would be happy to know, when it turns out XP could have done the same thing in its own native environment for zero cost. Many of them do a disservice to their users because they spent $29.99 for a program to issue a few commands that would accomplish the same thing in a batch file or even by just running a command at the command prompt. Speaking of the command prompt, very few users realize even a third of the commands it has available; they think it's only for running old "DOS" applications. And "help" and MS calling it a DOS window doesn't help the masses, either. "Just one more won't hurt" until the pile of 3rd party apps gets so deep and so mindlessly intertwined within the OS's activities that even an experienced PC man can't make sense of it until he gets rid of them. As for splitting hairs over "when" it loads "where", if the computer is not 100% ready for use yet, then you are still in the startup portion of time for the machine. Which of the 5 phases it occurs in doesn't matter to the user; it's starting up that way so it's part of the startup. Don't get me wrong; I use a lot of 3rd party apps; for things that windows can't do for itself or for me. PowerDesk Pro for instance, instead of windows explorer. If I copy 70 files and one refuses to be copied, it still copies 69 files and tells me file.ext couln't be copied, unlike Explorer which just stops copying and issues a terse error message. I just don't use a 3rd party app when windows can do the same thing it does, or worse yet, it's just a disguised batch file. In the end, it's all opinion anyway, so no big deal, but you brought them up, so I opined a bit on them. Ymmv is aiive and well! Twayne` > > == > > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) > > > > > "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:eJZahvi7KHA.6072(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> It's a negligible "problem" with no downsides so I'd >> wonder about the value of adding another startup item from >> a third party to the boot process. Unless the disk is way >> over 50% full, a kill of the pagefile, restart, defrag, >> and put the pafegile back on will do it. Once it's set in >> place, a pagefile is very unlikely to become fragmented >> until disk space is almost gone and windows can no longer >> centralize the pagefile's location on the disk. In >> news:OzHlaNi7KHA.5644(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, >> Tim Meddick <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> typed: >>> As you know, you cannot defragment your page file while >>> Windows is running. >>> However, if you would like your page-file to be >>> defragmented, then you can download "page defrag" >>> (pagedfrg.exe) by Sysinternals (a former division of >>> Microsoft). >>> A small, very easy to use application that writes an entry >>> in the registry to execute itself at the same point in the >>> boot process where "chkdsk" runs (when configured to) >>> before the pagefile becomes "locked" by Windows starting. >>> >>> Just start the application while Windows is running and >>> specify where the pagefile is located, tick the "Run on >>> every boot" check-box, and it will automatically run next, >>> and every time Windows starts-up. >>> Direct download link for Page Defrag : >>> http://live.sysinternals.com/Files/PageDefrag.zip >>> >>> == >>> >>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "John Callaway" <jcalla(a)erols.com> wrote in message >>> news:lis7u5lmt0e9jvcrvo2r2k38kvpb11si2v(a)4ax.com... >>>> When I defrag ny laptop (XP SP2), I notice two large >>>> green blocks. I assumed that is the page file area. Is >>>> there any way to keep them together instead of separate? >>>> There was just one before I increased the page file >>>> size, so I guess instead of adding it to the same area , >>>> it created a new separate area. JPC
From: John Callaway on 8 May 2010 20:51 On Fri, 07 May 2010 07:02:13 -0400, John Callaway <jcalla(a)erols.com> wrote: >When I defrag ny laptop (XP SP2), I notice two large green blocks. I >assumed that is the page file area. Is there any way to keep them >together instead of separate? There was just one before I increased >the page file size, so I guess instead of adding it to the same area , >it created a new separate area. > >JPC Thanks for all the info! JPC
From: Twayne on 9 May 2010 14:03 In news:ao1cu5t76ghksukkfmopehosjquflfmaie(a)4ax.com, John Callaway <jcalla(a)erols.com> typed: > On Fri, 07 May 2010 07:02:13 -0400, John Callaway > <jcalla(a)erols.com> wrote: > >> When I defrag ny laptop (XP SP2), I notice two large green >> blocks. I assumed that is the page file area. Is there >> any way to keep them together instead of separate? There >> was just one before I increased the page file size, so I >> guess instead of adding it to the same area , it created a >> new separate area. >> >> JPC > > Thanks for all the info! > > JPC Welcome, JPC Twayne`
From: Tim Meddick on 9 May 2010 16:33
Twayne, Again, you keep talking about 3rd-part applications but you yourself have stated in correcting me, that Sysinternals ARE Microsoft!! Even if this particular piece of software was originally created before the 2006 acquisition [of Sysinternals] it is still being offered on the website so is still classed as supported software, ultimately by Microsoft. So, you can hardly keep calling it 3rd-party software! == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message news:uA8hYBx7KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > < clipped > > You completely miss my point, though I really didn't want to dwell on it. > 3rd party software adds another layer of things that can go wrong...... > > < clipped > |