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From: richard on 31 May 2010 07:21 Hi all, Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission works? Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect: UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete Subfolders and Files' permission. Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited rights. UserB creates FileB inside FolderB. Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it. Is that really the way it's supposed to behave? Regards Richard
From: Bruce Chambers on 31 May 2010 17:33 richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: > Hi all, > > Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission > works? > > Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect: > > UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete > Subfolders and Files' permission. > > Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all > rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited > rights. > > UserB creates FileB inside FolderB. > > Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it. > > Is that really the way it's supposed to behave? > > Regards > Richard Yes. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
From: richard on 1 Jun 2010 02:38 On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:33:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers <bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> wrote: >richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission >> works? >> >> Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect: >> >> UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete >> Subfolders and Files' permission. >> >> Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all >> rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited >> rights. >> >> UserB creates FileB inside FolderB. >> >> Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it. >> >> Is that really the way it's supposed to behave? >> >> Regards >> Richard > > > Yes. Well, thanks for your reply Bruce, but that's not what it says in the xp help: 'Delete Subfolders and Files Allows or denies deleting subfolders and files, even if the Delete permission has not been granted on the subfolder or file. (applies to folders)' That's exactly the situation here. UserB has not granted permission to UserA to delete FileB, and indeed he can't, despite having 'Delete Subfolders & Files' permission on a containing folder. Is the help wrong, or is there some other way of interpreting what it says? Regards Richard
From: Bruce Chambers on 31 May 2010 19:04 richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:33:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers > <bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> wrote: > >> richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission >>> works? >>> >>> Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect: >>> >>> UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete >>> Subfolders and Files' permission. >>> >>> Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all >>> rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited >>> rights. >>> >>> UserB creates FileB inside FolderB. >>> >>> Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it. >>> >>> Is that really the way it's supposed to behave? >>> >>> Regards >>> Richard >> >> Yes. > > > Well, thanks for your reply Bruce, but that's not what it says in the > xp help: > > 'Delete Subfolders and Files > Allows or denies deleting subfolders and files, even if the Delete > permission has not been granted on the subfolder or file. (applies to > folders)' > > That's exactly the situation here. UserB has not granted permission to > UserA to delete FileB, and indeed he can't, despite having 'Delete > Subfolders & Files' permission on a containing folder. > > Is the help wrong, or is there some other way of interpreting what it > says? > > Regards > Richard > > > > > You said that "UserB has taken away all rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited rights." Therefore, what your seeing is exactly what it should be. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
From: richard on 1 Jun 2010 03:51
On Mon, 31 May 2010 17:04:53 -0600, Bruce Chambers <bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> wrote: >richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: >> On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:33:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers >> <bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> wrote: >> >>> richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission >>>> works? >>>> >>>> Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect: >>>> >>>> UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete >>>> Subfolders and Files' permission. >>>> >>>> Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all >>>> rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited >>>> rights. >>>> >>>> UserB creates FileB inside FolderB. >>>> >>>> Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it. >>>> >>>> Is that really the way it's supposed to behave? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Richard >>> >>> Yes. >> >> >> Well, thanks for your reply Bruce, but that's not what it says in the >> xp help: >> >> 'Delete Subfolders and Files >> Allows or denies deleting subfolders and files, even if the Delete >> permission has not been granted on the subfolder or file. (applies to >> folders)' >> >> That's exactly the situation here. UserB has not granted permission to >> UserA to delete FileB, and indeed he can't, despite having 'Delete >> Subfolders & Files' permission on a containing folder. >> >> Is the help wrong, or is there some other way of interpreting what it >> says? >> >> Regards >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> > > > You said that "UserB has taken away all rights from UserA to do >anything with FolderB, including inherited rights." Therefore, what >your seeing is exactly what it should be. I was supposing that if UserA had the 'Delete Subfolders and Files' permission on FolderA, then that would be an irrevocable right they would hold for any files or folders, nested at any depth, within FolderA. I though that this would be useful to prevent a situation where UserA finds they cannot delete a folder they own because another user has created files or folders within it and taken away UserA's rights to delete those nested files or folders. Maybe it just doesn't work that way.... Regards Richard |