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From: Grant on 1 Aug 2010 19:41 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden <wrongaddress(a)att.net> wrote: >On Jul 29, 7:12 pm, default <defa...(a)defaulter.net> wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden >> >> >> >> <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: >> >I bought a digital 1 farad cap (ICBM-7244CRP) at a swap meet for $15 >> >thinking I could sell it on ebay for a $30 or more. >> >> >I'm not sure how it works since it has a 40 amp relay inside to >> >disconnect the cap from the outside world. I think the display is for >> >power or voltage, but there are no switches to select a function. Only >> >two connections to make. >> >> >Anyway, it doesn't do anything when connected to a 12 volt PS. But I >> >can occasionally get it to turn on by interrupting the PS connections. >> >And when it does turn on, it displays strange numbers of 00, 55 or >> >whatever and then turns itself off after a few minutes. >> >> >I'm sure the actual cap is good since when it goes on, I can >> >disconnect the PS, and the display keeps reading for awhile using the >> >cap energy before going out completely. And as it goes out the display >> >reads changing numbers and then dies out. >> >> >I don't understand the function of the 40 amp relay. Seems like with >> >power applied, the cap could just sit there charged and the display >> >could time out when there is no change for a long time to save the >> >display power. >> >> >Is this cap any good, or does it have problems? >> >What is a good test? >> >> >-Bill >> >> Maybe the relay is there to prevent the cap from blowing fuses or >> killing switches from surge current? Charge the cap slowly through a >> resistor then short the resistor when the cap is charged and ready to >> supply the peak power? >> >> Just a theory . . . I did something like that on my homebrew stereo >> amp - it was killing switches trying to charge the cap banks. >> >> -- > >Sounds like a good theory. The cap draws about 10mA when first >connected, but I can't tell if the 10mA is used for charge, or just to >power the electronics. > >It takes a long time for the cap to engage and results are >inconsistent. The display never reads any useful numbers. But I don't >know what the display is supposed to read, power or voltage. I imagine >it would read power to the amp, but can't figure out how it would make >such a measurement. It would have to detect very small voltage changes >and convert that current and power. So, it would seem if gets very >large voltage changes it would read high numbers, but all I get is 0 >or 5 or other meaningless numbers. > >Think I'll sell it on ebay "as is" and just describe the problems. >Some buyer might know how to fix it. I think it has a processor, so if >that's gone, may be hard to fix. But the relay could be bypassed so >the thing operates as a normal cap. Might be worth $10 in that mode. Open it up? Or is it too 'sealed' for a look inside? Grant. > >-Bill
From: Bill Bowden on 1 Aug 2010 20:49 On Aug 1, 4:41 pm, Grant <o...(a)grrr.id.au> wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: > >On Jul 29, 7:12 pm, default <defa...(a)defaulter.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden > > >> <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: > >> >I bought a digital 1 farad cap (ICBM-7244CRP) at a swap meet for $15 > >> >thinking I could sell it on ebay for a $30 or more. > > >> >I'm not sure how it works since it has a 40 amp relay inside to > >> >disconnect the cap from the outside world. I think the display is for > >> >power or voltage, but there are no switches to select a function. Only > >> >two connections to make. > > >> >Anyway, it doesn't do anything when connected to a 12 volt PS. But I > >> >can occasionally get it to turn on by interrupting the PS connections.. > >> >And when it does turn on, it displays strange numbers of 00, 55 or > >> >whatever and then turns itself off after a few minutes. > > >> >I'm sure the actual cap is good since when it goes on, I can > >> >disconnect the PS, and the display keeps reading for awhile using the > >> >cap energy before going out completely. And as it goes out the display > >> >reads changing numbers and then dies out. > > >> >I don't understand the function of the 40 amp relay. Seems like with > >> >power applied, the cap could just sit there charged and the display > >> >could time out when there is no change for a long time to save the > >> >display power. > > >> >Is this cap any good, or does it have problems? > >> >What is a good test? > > >> >-Bill > > >> Maybe the relay is there to prevent the cap from blowing fuses or > >> killing switches from surge current? Charge the cap slowly through a > >> resistor then short the resistor when the cap is charged and ready to > >> supply the peak power? > > >> Just a theory . . . I did something like that on my homebrew stereo > >> amp - it was killing switches trying to charge the cap banks. > > >> -- > > >Sounds like a good theory. The cap draws about 10mA when first > >connected, but I can't tell if the 10mA is used for charge, or just to > >power the electronics. > > >It takes a long time for the cap to engage and results are > >inconsistent. The display never reads any useful numbers. But I don't > >know what the display is supposed to read, power or voltage. I imagine > >it would read power to the amp, but can't figure out how it would make > >such a measurement. It would have to detect very small voltage changes > >and convert that current and power. So, it would seem if gets very > >large voltage changes it would read high numbers, but all I get is 0 > >or 5 or other meaningless numbers. > > >Think I'll sell it on ebay "as is" and just describe the problems. > >Some buyer might know how to fix it. I think it has a processor, so if > >that's gone, may be hard to fix. But the relay could be bypassed so > >the thing operates as a normal cap. Might be worth $10 in that mode. > > Open it up? Or is it too 'sealed' for a look inside? > Too sealed. Is has a clear plastic cover so you can see the components inside. There is a blue LED that flashes once in awhile and a 3 digit LED display. Looks like special tools to take it apart. Looks like gold terminals on top. It's an impressive cap for audiophiles, they like gold connections, with blue lights and red numbers. -Bill > Grant. > > > > >-Bill
From: J. Todd on 2 Aug 2010 10:24 In article <fb16140d-1b7e-4ae6-817a- eb5c83c02e53(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, wrongaddress(a)att.net says... > On Jul 29, 7:12 pm, default <defa...(a)defaulter.net> wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden > > > > > > > > <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: > > >I bought a digital 1 farad cap (ICBM-7244CRP) at a swap meet for $15 > > >thinking I could sell it on ebay for a $30 or more. > > > > >I'm not sure how it works since it has a 40 amp relay inside to > > >disconnect the cap from the outside world. I think the display is for > > >power or voltage, but there are no switches to select a function. Only > > >two connections to make. > > > > >Anyway, it doesn't do anything when connected to a 12 volt PS. But I > > >can occasionally get it to turn on by interrupting the PS connections. > > >And when it does turn on, it displays strange numbers of 00, 55 or > > >whatever and then turns itself off after a few minutes. > > > possible the cap is switched across the power line when the subwoofer amp is turned on? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Cydrome Leader on 3 Aug 2010 11:30
Bill Bowden <wrongaddress(a)att.net> wrote: > On Aug 1, 4:41?pm, Grant <o...(a)grrr.id.au> wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: >> >On Jul 29, 7:12?pm, default <defa...(a)defaulter.net> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden >> >> >> <wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote: >> >> >I bought a digital 1 farad cap (ICBM-7244CRP) at a swap meet for $15 >> >> >thinking I could sell it on ebay for a $30 or more. >> >> >> >I'm not sure how it works since it has a 40 amp relay inside to >> >> >disconnect the cap from the outside world. I think the display is for >> >> >power or voltage, but there are no switches to select a function. Only >> >> >two connections to make. >> >> >> >Anyway, it doesn't do anything when connected to a 12 volt PS. But I >> >> >can occasionally get it to turn on by interrupting the PS connections. >> >> >And when it does turn on, it displays strange numbers of 00, 55 or >> >> >whatever and then turns itself off after a few minutes. >> >> >> >I'm sure the actual cap is good since when it goes on, I can >> >> >disconnect the PS, and the display keeps reading for awhile using the >> >> >cap energy before going out completely. And as it goes out the display >> >> >reads changing numbers and then dies out. >> >> >> >I don't understand the function of the 40 amp relay. Seems like with >> >> >power applied, the cap could just sit there charged and the display >> >> >could time out when there is no change for a long time to save the >> >> >display power. >> >> >> >Is this cap any good, or does it have problems? >> >> >What is a good test? >> >> >> >-Bill >> >> >> Maybe the relay is there to prevent the cap from blowing fuses or >> >> killing switches from surge current? ?Charge the cap slowly through a >> >> resistor then short the resistor when the cap is charged and ready to >> >> supply the peak power? >> >> >> Just a theory . . . I did something like that on my homebrew stereo >> >> amp - it was killing switches trying to charge the cap banks. >> >> >> -- >> >> >Sounds like a good theory. The cap draws about 10mA when first >> >connected, but I can't tell if the 10mA is used for charge, or just to >> >power the electronics. >> >> >It takes a long time for the cap to engage and results are >> >inconsistent. The display never reads any useful numbers. But I don't >> >know what the display is supposed to read, power or voltage. I imagine >> >it would read power to the amp, but can't figure out how it would make >> >such a measurement. It would have to detect very small voltage changes >> >and convert that current and power. So, it would seem if gets very >> >large voltage changes it would read high numbers, but all I get is 0 >> >or 5 or other meaningless numbers. >> >> >Think I'll sell it on ebay "as is" and just describe the problems. >> >Some buyer might know how to fix it. I think it has a processor, so if >> >that's gone, may be hard to fix. But the relay could be bypassed so >> >the thing operates as a normal cap. Might be worth $10 in that mode. >> >> Open it up? ?Or is it too 'sealed' for a look inside? >> > > Too sealed. Is has a clear plastic cover so you can see the components > inside. There is a blue LED that flashes once in awhile and a 3 digit > LED display. Looks like special tools to take it apart. Looks like > gold terminals on top. It's an impressive cap for audiophiles, they > like gold connections, with blue lights and red numbers. ghetto car stereo users are not audiophiles. |