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From: Michael Feldbau on 22 Dec 2009 23:49
Thanks Robert and Mike.
You have been most cooperative.

Regards,
Michael
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> [Thanks, Mike!]
>
> Michael Santovec wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I know very little about signed messages. They seem a
> > lot more bother than they are worth.
> >
> > Since Microsoft hasn't made any updates to OE for ages, it's not likely
> > that's responsible for the sudden changes.
> >
> > Although OE does use some system and IE DLL files, it possible that some
> > changes there have affected OE's behavior.
> >
> > Other potential culprits would include anti-virus or anti-spam software
> > that the messages pass through or some change at the mail service that
> > receives the messages.
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:#i3k1lygKHA.3792(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> I've asked my MVP colleague Michael Santovec to take a look at your
> >> thread. Hopefully he'll be posting a reply soon.
> >>
> >> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>> See answers next to the questions.
> >>> -------------------------------------------------
> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:%23KMll4tgKHA.2104(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>>> OE Tools | Options | Read | Read all messages in plain text (checked
> >>>> or
> >>>> unchecked?) UNCHECKED
> >>>>
> >>>> OE Tools | Options | Security: Is OE running in Restricted Sites
> >>>> zone and
> >>>> are the "Do not download attachments..." and "Block images..."
> >>>> options
> >>>> both unchecked? I CLEARED BOTH, OE IS RUNNING IN RESTRICTED ZONE.
> >>>> DIDN'T HELP
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Robert,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have investigated the issue thoroughly and I wish to share my
> >>>>> findings
> >>>>> with you.
> >>>>> 1. The raw signed message received is structured as follows: Header
> >>>>> part,
> >>>>> then one p7m attachment. (I know that, since another application of
> >>>>> mine
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> generating those signed messages).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. After the message is received in the Inbox, I performed
> >>>>> File|Save As
> >>>>> (eml
> >>>>> format). Then I renamed the saved file to have the TXT suffix in
> >>>>> order to
> >>>>> review the raw message.
> >>>>> Surprisingly, no indication of the original format, i.e. the p7m
> >>>>> attachment
> >>>>> has been rplaced with the interpreted content of the p7m signed
> >>>>> message,
> >>>>> that is with the unsigned internal message.
> >>>>> This means that when the raw signed message was received, the p7m
> >>>>> attachment
> >>>>> was interpreted, and the internal message (intended to be signed)
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> extracted, and the signed envelope has been removed - and no
> >>>>> evidence
> >>>>> thereof has been retained.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since this suddenly occured on 2 separate computers of mine, after
> >>>>> I have
> >>>>> been working with all versions of OE since version 4, this, to my
> >>>>> opinion
> >>>>> has been caused by a software update of MS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would appreciate your assistance since i have many customers
> >>>>> which
> >>>>> might
> >>>>> be affected by this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> "Michael Feldbau" <MichaelFeldbau(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> message news:91A97712-5EB3-4BCA-8315-C1E77578F078(a)microsoft.com...
> >>>>>> Just installed the November '09 root certificate update.
> >>>>>> Didn't help.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd asked you to go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com, run a
> >>>>>>> CUSTOM
> >>>>>>> scan
> >>>>>>> for updates, check the Optional Software Updates category on the
> >>>>>>> left-hand
> >>>>>>> side to see if a Root Certificates update was offered, and then
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> install
> >>>>>>> it if there was one. Did you do so?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I have installed ALL 92 updates (except for SP3 and IE8). I
> >>>>>>>> can't
> >>>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>>> if a root certificate update was among them. Would you like to
> >>>>>>>> check
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> some specific new CA which can indicate that the update has
> >>>>>>>> indeed
> >>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>> installed ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Was a Root Certificates update available and did you install
> >>>>>>>>> it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Robert.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nothing helped at this stage.
> >>>>>>>>>> The problem occures also on another computer of mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> Anything more that I can do?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. I wanted to see if installing the most recent Root
> >>>>>>>>>>> Certificates
> >>>>>>>>>>> update
> >>>>>>>>>>> might resolve the behavior. In Vista and Win7, Root
> >>>>>>>>>>> Certificates
> >>>>>>>>>>> updates
> >>>>>>>>>>> are installed automatically via Automatic Updates but WinXP
> >>>>>>>>>>> users
> >>>>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>>>> check for & install them manually. (Root Certificates
> >>>>>>>>>>> updates are
> >>>>>>>>>>> generally released every 3 months or so. The most recent
> >>>>>>>>>>> update
> >>>>>>>>>>> became
> >>>>>>>>>>> available c. 24 Nov-09.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. I don't recommend installing Service Packs or IE upgrades
> >>>>>>>>>>> via
> >>>>>>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>>> Update/Automatic Updates.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Robert for the detalied response.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> One small question just to avoid confusion: on one hand you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> urge me to install WIN XP SP3, but later you asked NOT to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> install
> >>>>>>>>>>>> SP3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Could you explain please...?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't installed IE8 nor SP3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The answer to all your question is YES.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem persists.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strangely this happens on another computer of mine too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some tech info might help:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The received message consists header part and one p7m
> >>>>>>>>>>>> attachment
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (signed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message). I know that beause an application of mine
> >>>>>>>>>>>> generates
> >>>>>>>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Previously OE treated the attachment as a secured
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>> performing File|Properties|Details - it provided a button
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "secure
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message
> >>>>>>>>>>>> source". If at this point you perform File|Save As (eml),
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> secure
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is saved.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now this option is unavailable. OE automatically decrypts
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> secure
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message, identifies the message in the Inbox folder as a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> signed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when the message is opened, there's no indication of digital
> >>>>>>>>>>>> signature.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, if you perform File|Save As (eml) - then the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> decrypted
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unsigned
> >>>>>>>>>>>> message is saved, as though the message was never signed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:OirHsSQgKHA.1112(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Please post to this newsgroup in Plain Text, Michael,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> right-to-left default makes it almost impossible to read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Why isn't WinXP SP3 installed yet?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> critical
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Update website will not be available after 10 July 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> until SP3
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3a. Make sure your time, date, and time-zone settings are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3b. Open Internet Explorer (only) to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate | Select CUSTOM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> scan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Install any Critical Security Updates offered (e.g.,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> KB976325).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Root
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Software
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> category
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the left, install it to take full advantage of IE's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> enhanced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> security.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NB: Do NOT install SP3 or IE8! Hide both/either of them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ("Don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> show
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this update again") for now if necessary, please.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the behavior persist now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OE Tools | Options | Security | Secure Mail | Advanced |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> senders'certificates to my Address Book: Is this option
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> checked/enabled
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and does your correspondents' entries in Address Book
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital IDs?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OE Tools | Options | Security | Secure Mail | Advanced |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Revocation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking: Which option is checked/enabled here?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.banthecheck.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Feldbau wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am working with OE back from Ver.4.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have now OE V6 SP2. My OS is XP Pro SP2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I receive digitally signed messages on daily basis. In the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> displays the red signature button. However when I open the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't indicate that the message is signed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This began only recently (I suspect after I upgraded to IE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beforehand,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for many years it did indicate the red signature icon on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, I cannot perform signature verification at this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could anybody advise?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gratefuly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: HUSSEIN.ALKOLDI on 6 Jan 2010 11:44

???? ????? "Michael Feldbau" <miki_f(a)netvision.net.il> ?? ????? ???????:Osq8jcOgKHA.5608(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Hello,

I am working with OE back from Ver.4.
I have now OE V6 SP2. My OS is XP Pro SP2
I receive digitally signed messages on daily basis. In the Inbox folder it displays the red signature button. However when I open the messages it doesn't indicate that the message is signed.
This began only recently (I suspect after I upgraded to IE 7). Beforehand, for many years it did indicate the red signature icon on open messages.

Hence, I cannot perform signature verification at this point.

Could anybody advise?

Gratefuly,
Michael


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