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From: Freeman on 19 Jun 2010 18:20
Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with
an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]. Nothing played smoothly.

It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core,
xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, mesa
utils. My version of flashpluggin dated back to September, '09.

Upgrading firmware-linux to experimental did not work.

Downgrading flashpluggin non-free to 2.8.0 did not work.

Downgrading to flash to 2.5~bpo50+1, on a lark, did work. But that seems temporary at
best.

Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash simply
going to be bad solution for old radeons?

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From: Greg Madden on 19 Jun 2010 19:20
On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:10:28 Freeman wrote:
> Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with
> an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]. Nothing played smoothly.
>
> It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core,
> xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, mesa
> utils. My version of flashpluggin dated back to September, '09.
>
> Upgrading firmware-linux to experimental did not work.
>
> Downgrading flashpluggin non-free to 2.8.0 did not work.
>
> Downgrading to flash to 2.5~bpo50+1, on a lark, did work. But that seems
> temporary at best.
>
> Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash
> simply going to be bad solution for old radeons?
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Freeman
>
> "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is
> the answer." --Somebody

Flash won't be fixed :-), and it is not really the issue. The newer (squeeze)
radeon driver has spotty support for older ATI adapters.

My ATI M7 (7500) doesn't work well enough with the radeon driver, I use the
vesa driver.

When I researched the issue it was apparent that old ATI where not supported
by ATI or the xorg stuff. Seems like the same video adaptor is also different
depending on the vendor.

My ATI stuff is a Gateway 450ROG laptop. I have two, one with the M7 an one
with the Fire GL, the Fire GL one works with the radeon driver but I don't
use flash on it.

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Greg


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From: Freeman on 24 Jun 2010 15:10
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 03:10:20PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:10:28 Freeman wrote:

.. . .

> >
> > Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash
> > simply going to be bad solution for old radeons?
> >
> Flash won't be fixed :-), and it is not really the issue. The newer (squeeze)
> radeon driver has spotty support for older ATI adapters.
>
> My ATI M7 (7500) doesn't work well enough with the radeon driver, I use the
> vesa driver.
>
> When I researched the issue it was apparent that old ATI where not supported
> by ATI or the xorg stuff. Seems like the same video adaptor is also different
> depending on the vendor.
>
> My ATI stuff is a Gateway 450ROG laptop. I have two, one with the M7 an one
> with the Fire GL, the Fire GL one works with the radeon driver but I don't
> use flash on it.
>

I wasn't aware of an xorg issue with Radeon FireGL 9000. I will gladly do
some reading this weekend if anyone has links.

The card was dropped from fglrx but the firmware-linux package replaced
that well enough.

The Gallium3D backend to mesa is suppose to support old radeons some day in
the future according to my understanding.

My problem with flash vids is also fixed by downgrading to:

Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
Pin: version 6.12.6-1
Pin-Priority: 1001

Package: xserver-xorg-video-ati
Pin: version 6.12.6-1
Pin-Priority: 1001

(I haven't had time to try each downgrade individually.)

But that fix trashes Google Earth, despite that it worked with those
versions before they were upgraded to 6.13.0-2. That upgrade was evidently
part of the problem with flash which hasn't been upgraded since September.

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Freeman

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