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From: kony on 16 Feb 2010 14:30
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:23:39 -0600, Grinder
<grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:


>>>> I looked at that board but it only has 2 memory slots. Also, the one
>>>> that's dying is a Gigabyte. :-) I ordered a mobo from NewEgg after I
>>>> read philo's response, but I appreciate your response. I just want to
>>>> keep this thing going a bit longer; finances permitting, I should be
>>>> able to build a new one soon and hand this off to #1 Son.
>>>
>>> I guess your old board is considerably older than 3 years? Gigabyte
>>> has been very fair with me.
>>
>> Once bitten, twice shy. :-)
>
>Let me know if you find a manufacturer whose motherboards last forever.

The problem with that is deciding when to tell you. ;)

I do have a modest server with a Intel board by Asus for
Compaq/OEM, i810 chipset that's 12 years old and has been
running 24/7 for at least 8 of those years.

Granted it's running off a pretty high quality PSU, on an
UPS, ample filtered airflow and when I first deployed it in
a server I preemptively replaced the capacitors in the
switching power supply subcircuits with upgraded capacitors
so it's not a fair comparison... yet today's boards often
use solid capacitors which may similarly help with
longevity.

Back then they used lead based solder though... I keep
waiting to hear if the industry finds that the lead-free
solder they use now ends up causing faults from tin
whiskers.

From: Thip on 16 Feb 2010 18:26


"Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
news:XsOdncoUy5SVjefWnZ2dnUVZ_oJi4p2d(a)mchsi.com...
> On 2/15/2010 5:15 PM, Thip wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>> news:headnbJ5fLF2C-XWnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d(a)mchsi.com...
>>> On 2/14/2010 6:31 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:24mdnVOUfumuEOXWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)mchsi.com...
>>>>> On 2/14/2010 1:14 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>>>> I can't afford a a new system at this point, so I'm looking for a
>>>>>> mobo
>>>>>> that will support my DDR2 800. Question: Some of the manufacturers
>>>>>> state
>>>>>> the boards supports 1066/800, etc., others state only 1066. In that
>>>>>> case, if I use 800, will it work or not? I'm reading all kinds of
>>>>>> conflicting information. It's confusing. TIA!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Look to the manufacturer's manual. For example, here's a tidy little
>>>>> gigabyte board:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128388
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I looked at that board but it only has 2 memory slots. Also, the one
>>>> that's dying is a Gigabyte. :-) I ordered a mobo from NewEgg after I
>>>> read philo's response, but I appreciate your response. I just want to
>>>> keep this thing going a bit longer; finances permitting, I should be
>>>> able to build a new one soon and hand this off to #1 Son.
>>>
>>> I guess your old board is considerably older than 3 years? Gigabyte
>>> has been very fair with me.
>>
>> Once bitten, twice shy. :-)
>
> Let me know if you find a manufacturer whose motherboards last forever.

I came here looking for help, Grinder, not sarcasm.

From: JD on 16 Feb 2010 20:29
kony wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:31:38 -0500, "Thip" <me(a)privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>> news:24mdnVOUfumuEOXWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)mchsi.com...
>>> On 2/14/2010 1:14 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>> I can't afford a a new system at this point, so I'm looking for a mobo
>>>> that will support my DDR2 800. Question: Some of the manufacturers state
>>>> the boards supports 1066/800, etc., others state only 1066. In that
>>>> case, if I use 800, will it work or not? I'm reading all kinds of
>>>> conflicting information. It's confusing. TIA!!!
>>> Look to the manufacturer's manual. For example, here's a tidy little
>>> gigabyte board:
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128388
>>>
>> I looked at that board but it only has 2 memory slots. Also, the one that's
>> dying is a Gigabyte. :-) I ordered a mobo from NewEgg after I read philo's
>> response, but I appreciate your response. I just want to keep this thing
>> going a bit longer; finances permitting, I should be able to build a new one
>> soon and hand this off to #1 Son.
>
> You have not mentioned the more important details of what
> features you need.
>
> For example, what CPU do you plan to use? Do you want, or
> need, full sized ATX or mATX? Do you need integrated video
> and if so what video outputs are required? Do you need any
> particular # of PCI slots, any particular # of PCIe slots
> with more than 1x capability?
>
> What is the price range? Do you need overclocking features
> or fancy heatsinks or solid capacitors making it more
> tolerant of higher operating temperatures?
>
> Any preference on who makes the chipset? I'd recommend
> Intel, nVidia or AMD/ATI, but personally I prefer drivers
> from the former two rather than the latter.
>
> I wouldn't shy away from Gigabyte just because you had one
> fail. They have a reasonably good reputation, certainly
> better than average. Few brands come to mind that I would
> consider better most of the time, Asus being one of them,
> but even that could be a subject for debate since many have
> had fewer problems with Gigabyte than Asus boards.
>
> You didn't state the initial problem though, what leads you
> to believe your board is dying, but not totally dead yet? I
> don't mean to second guess your diagnosis but often if a
> system starts acting flaky if there are no signs of failed
> capacitors it is then more likely the PSU is the part that's
> failing.
>
> Ultimately the easiest way to find a board is on Newegg's
> website, see the following page and pick "Intel
> Motherboards" or "AMD Motherboards" on the left-hand side,
> then on the next page use the "Power search"on the left-hand
> side to take you to a page where you can pick the features
> you need to see a list of appropriate boards.

How could Thip tell that the board was dying?
Maybe he has
some bad connections to it or a power supply
problem. I
would disconnect everything from the board except the
bare essentials, then start back adding one by one.
From: Grinder on 16 Feb 2010 20:46
On 2/16/2010 5:26 PM, Thip wrote:
>
>
> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
> news:XsOdncoUy5SVjefWnZ2dnUVZ_oJi4p2d(a)mchsi.com...
>> On 2/15/2010 5:15 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:headnbJ5fLF2C-XWnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d(a)mchsi.com...
>>>> On 2/14/2010 6:31 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:24mdnVOUfumuEOXWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)mchsi.com...
>>>>>> On 2/14/2010 1:14 PM, Thip wrote:
>>>>>>> I can't afford a a new system at this point, so I'm looking for a
>>>>>>> mobo
>>>>>>> that will support my DDR2 800. Question: Some of the manufacturers
>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>> the boards supports 1066/800, etc., others state only 1066. In that
>>>>>>> case, if I use 800, will it work or not? I'm reading all kinds of
>>>>>>> conflicting information. It's confusing. TIA!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look to the manufacturer's manual. For example, here's a tidy little
>>>>>> gigabyte board:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128388
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked at that board but it only has 2 memory slots. Also, the one
>>>>> that's dying is a Gigabyte. :-) I ordered a mobo from NewEgg after I
>>>>> read philo's response, but I appreciate your response. I just want to
>>>>> keep this thing going a bit longer; finances permitting, I should be
>>>>> able to build a new one soon and hand this off to #1 Son.
>>>>
>>>> I guess your old board is considerably older than 3 years? Gigabyte
>>>> has been very fair with me.
>>>
>>> Once bitten, twice shy. :-)
>>
>> Let me know if you find a manufacturer whose motherboards last forever.
>
> I came here looking for help, Grinder, not sarcasm.

Serendipity, then.

From: larry moe 'n curly on 18 Feb 2010 06:18


kony wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:23:39 -0600, Grinder
> <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me know if you find a manufacturer whose motherboards last forever.
>
> The problem with that is deciding when to tell you. ;)
>
> I do have a modest server with a Intel board by Asus for
> Compaq/OEM, i810 chipset that's 12 years old and has been
> running 24/7 for at least 8 of those years.
>
> Granted it's running off a pretty high quality PSU, on an
> UPS, ample filtered airflow and when I first deployed it in
> a server I preemptively replaced the capacitors in the
> switching power supply subcircuits with upgraded capacitors
> so it's not a fair comparison... yet today's boards often
> use solid capacitors which may similarly help with
> longevity.

I have an i810 Gateway that was working fine when I packed it up last
year. It ran off a 90W Delta/Newton PSU, built with all Rubycon and
Nichicon capacitors, and I think the mobo also had only good caps,
including those solid polymers that are all the rave now.

> Back then they used lead based solder though... I keep
> waiting to hear if the industry finds that the lead-free
> solder they use now ends up causing faults from tin
> whiskers.

How do you think Skynet and the robot rebellion started??? A tin
whisker shorted a couple of address lines and doomed all humans.
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