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From: spudnik on 15 Jan 2010 01:18
I didn't see that one, but we just do not have
to bother with any particle, at all,
when dealing with light; so,
stick with light, for now, not fullerenes.

the real point is that, some ways beyond Einstein,
the experiments of magnetohydrodynamics more
than adequately explain the behavior of light,
qua the alleged vacuum of space (that is,
plasma, which has dipolar momentum, and
dihydrogen, which does not; I also gave
-- what I'd just read with mild comprehension --
the condition under which Alfven waves become ordinary light).

> The animation you saw here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWRNZNemQyY
> is of a particle and its associated aether wave, not a photon in
> particular.

thus:
(the example of the "two column proof"
in projective geometry shows the problem;
you don't *need* both, and
you should never mix the proofs!)

thus:
the models are very hoary, but not frosty, and
have been since no body ever modeled a typical glass house,
including Svente Ahrrenius. and,
the reportage is understandably but lamentably selective.

> Meanwhile even the world's best "guess" model, Hansen C, has failed by far.

thus:
"Most of the newly discovered glaciers are covered with rocky debris;
continuous freezing and thawing splinters the brittle granite that
forms some of the park's majestic peaks. Park officials say
comparisons with historical photos suggest that at least some of the
glaciers are expanding."

garbage up; garbage down?

thus:
ah, the treacly doohickey of language --
not to mention, translation!

if you would jettison the mere mathematical duality
of the "photon," and stick with the expanding wavefront
for a while, where'd go your quantum of aether?

if you insist on springing from wave- to particle-
interpretation for no reason
-- although all of their properties are dual,
just like in projective geometry & so on --
you won't get much that is reasonable; eh?

--l'OEuvre!
http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 15 Jan 2010 01:41
On Jan 15, 1:18 am, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't see that one, but we just do not have
> to bother with any particle, at all,
> when dealing with light; so,
> stick with light, for now, not fullerenes.
>

You have to 'bother' with the photon being detected as a quantum of
aether.

> the real point is that, some ways beyond Einstein,
> the experiments of magnetohydrodynamics more
> than adequately explain the behavior of light,
> qua the alleged vacuum of space (that is,
> plasma, which has dipolar momentum, and
> dihydrogen, which does not; I also gave
> -- what I'd just read with mild comprehension --
> the condition under which Alfven waves become ordinary light).
>
> > The animation you saw here
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWRNZNemQyY
> > is of a particle and its associated aether wave, not a photon in
> > particular.
>
> thus:
> (the example of the "two column proof"
> in projective geometry shows the problem;
> you don't *need* both, and
> you should never mix the proofs!)
>
> thus:
> the models are very hoary, but not frosty, and
> have been since no body ever modeled a typical glass house,
> including Svente Ahrrenius.  and,
> the reportage is understandably but lamentably selective.
>
> > Meanwhile even the world's best "guess" model, Hansen C, has failed by far.
>
> thus:
> "Most of the newly discovered glaciers are covered with rocky debris;
> continuous freezing and thawing splinters the brittle granite that
> forms some of the park's majestic peaks. Park officials say
> comparisons with historical photos suggest that at least some of the
> glaciers are expanding."
>
> garbage up; garbage down?
>
> thus:
> ah, the treacly doohickey of language --
> not to mention, translation!
>
> if you would jettison the mere mathematical duality
> of the "photon," and stick with the expanding wavefront
> for a while, where'd go your quantum of aether?
>
> if you insist on springing from wave- to particle-
> interpretation for no reason
> -- although all of their properties are dual,
> just like in projective geometry & so on --
> you won't get much that is reasonable; eh?
>
> --l'OEuvre!http://wlym.com

From: spudnik on 16 Jan 2010 22:53
quelle ridicule!... what experimental proof is there
of a "photon," other than a mere interpretation
of an electronic reading, and a century's blather
from the Copenhagenskool and its undead catpeople?

all essenttial properties of light are wavey, in spite
of the fact that there's a "dual" mathematical interpretation,
since Pauli made his matrices, and the possiblity
of making a photonic model a la ray-tracing.

> You have to 'bother' with the photon being detected as a quantum of
> aether.

thus:
your talk of aether is a) fast and b) loose, and c)
you give no experimental hypothesis as to any difference,
at all, that this stuff should make ... gee;
is it a liquid or a solid or, What?

Michelson-Morley did not get a null result, and
this finding was enhanced by others, later!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/edit.html

thus quoth:
Spring 1998 Vol. 11, No. 1
Michelson-Morley-Miller: The Coverup

The Experiments of Dayton C. Miller (1925-1926) and the Theory of
Relativity
Maurice Allais

On My Experiments in Physics, 1952-1960
Maurice Allais
Einstein’s theories of special and general relativity rest on the
allegedly null results of Michelson’s interferometer experiment. Here,
a French physicist and Nobel Laureate in economics, demonstrates that
Michelson’s results were not null, and that the interferometer
experiments of the American scientist Dayton Miller produced positive
results, thereby invalidating the foundation of the Theory of
Relativity.

Background: Optical Theory in the 19th Century, and the Truth about
Michelson-Morley-Miller
Laurence Hecht
To understand the ground-breaking significance of Dayton Miller’s
ether drift measurements, one must go back to the original discoveries
of Fresnel on the wave theory of light and its subsequent development
in the 19th century.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202008/F-W_2008/Planck_150th..pdf
(compare with http://adda-enterprises.com/MMInt/MMint.htm .-)

Into Space from the Sea
Oleg A. Sokolov
Since the dawn of the space age, nations have lofted satellites into
space from launch sites on land. Soon, for the first time, satellites
will also be reaching space from the sea.

All Chernobyl’s Victims:
A Realistic Assessment of Chernobyl’s Health Effects
Zbigniew Jaworowski
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