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From: Arindam Banerjee on 21 Jun 2010 05:00
On Jun 21, 6:44 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 6:36 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 12:56 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > > [bending of light by the sun]
> > > > As we all know, a glass or plastic lens bends light, simply because
> > > > the light passing through same has to have the same phase front and
> > > > also travel slower.  This is just what is happening when the starlight
> > > > passes through the dense (or light, depending upon radial distance)
> > > > atmosphere outside the sun.  In other words, the sun is acting as an
> > > > optical lens, and thus bending the starlight.
>
> > > No. You REALLY need to read the literature. In particular, the bending of light
> > > by the sun due to gravitation is INDEPENDENT OF WAVELENGTH of the light. The
> > > optical refraction of the sun's atmosphere depends on the wavelength of the
> > > light. Measurements have been made at multiple wavelengths that include a model
> > > of the sun's atmosphere, and the effect due to gravitation dominates; the result
> > > is consistent with GR.
>
> > > Also, the sun's deflection of microwaves has been measured via VLBI out past 90
> > > degrees from the sun, where the solar atmosphere is completely negligible. Such
> > > a path does not get any closer to the sun than the earth is, yet the sun's
> > > gravitational deflection is measurable and consistent with GR.
>
> > > > To totally ignore this optical aspect, [...]
>
> > > It is not ignored in the physics literature. For you to totally ignore the
> > > physics literature is indeed "terrific bungling or intellectual dishonesty of
> > > the lowest kind".
>
> > > Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are many other tests of GR.
>
> > >         And there are 3 potential refutations of GR for which the jury
> > >         is still out: the Pioneer anomaly, dark matter and energy, and
> > >         spacecraft flyby anomalies.
>
> > > Tom Roberts
>
> > In all the acceptance testing of GR, nowhere was the atmosphere of the
> > sun where the light from the stars had to pass through, ever
> > mentioned.  The sun was taken as a point mass.  Well, that is not the
> > case.
>
> > GR like SR and Quantum and also entropy (most of modern and some
> > ancient physics) are all rubbish.
>
> > One successful working model of an IFE, will send them all into the
> > dustbin, and cause a massive rewriting of the physics texts using the
> > two new formulas;'
>
> > c(v=V) = c(mu, ep) + V
> > and
> > e = 0.5mVVN(N-k)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
>
> Let someone show some pre 1960 or so textbook where the atmosphere of
> the sun was taken into account for light bending.  Passing off the
> optical effect for a rubbish gravitational effect is intellectual
> dishonesty of the lowest kind.
> Cheers,
> Arindam  Banerjee

palmjob, or legerdemain.
From: Monsieur Turtoni on 22 Jun 2010 00:46
On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, Sir Frederick Martin <mmcne...(a)fuzzysys.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Monsieur Turtoni <turt...(a)fastmail.net> wrote:
> >On Jun 20, 10:56 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > [bending of light by the sun]
> >> > As we all know, a glass or plastic lens bends light, simply because
> >> > the light passing through same has to have the same phase front and
> >> > also travel slower.  This is just what is happening when the starlight
> >> > passes through the dense (or light, depending upon radial distance)
> >> > atmosphere outside the sun.  In other words, the sun is acting as an
> >> > optical lens, and thus bending the starlight.
>
> >> No. You REALLY need to read the literature. In particular, the bending of light
> >> by the sun due to gravitation is INDEPENDENT OF WAVELENGTH of the light. The
> >> optical refraction of the sun's atmosphere depends on the wavelength of the
> >> light. Measurements have been made at multiple wavelengths that include a model
> >> of the sun's atmosphere, and the effect due to gravitation dominates; the result
> >> is consistent with GR.
>
> >> Also, the sun's deflection of microwaves has been measured via VLBI out past 90
> >> degrees from the sun, where the solar atmosphere is completely negligible. Such
> >> a path does not get any closer to the sun than the earth is, yet the sun's
> >> gravitational deflection is measurable and consistent with GR.
>
> >> > To totally ignore this optical aspect, [...]
>
> >> It is not ignored in the physics literature. For you to totally ignore the
> >> physics literature is indeed "terrific bungling or intellectual dishonesty of
> >> the lowest kind".
>
> >> Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are many other tests of GR.
>
> >>         And there are 3 potential refutations of GR for which the jury
> >>         is still out: the Pioneer anomaly, dark matter and energy, and
> >>         spacecraft flyby anomalies.
>
> >> Tom Roberts
>
> >You have to bare in mind that the vast majority of usenet posters
> >appear to be mentally ill..
>
> >HTHelps.
>
> Welcome back to the scene.
> It takes a kind of mental illness just to be human,
> thus all but the BORG are loony.
> Functioning in society requires a common mental illness
> called domestication, a learned stance.
>
> Best,
> Martin

The self construction projected onto whatever floats your boat. Since
our biological apparatus lends us towards the luxery of improved
coffee and cow dung brewing techiques as well as the quest for
immorality aka lack and/or anxiety, we'd like to imagine that concrete
better paves those yellow brick roads. Plus Uncle Al's wife's udders
possible induce some form of worship. Although my last quip is likely
untrue, i unhappy conclude.

Yours,

Detective Goren
From: Monsieur Turtoni on 22 Jun 2010 00:48
On Jun 22, 12:46 am, Monsieur Turtoni <turt...(a)fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, Sir Frederick Martin <mmcne...(a)fuzzysys.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Monsieur Turtoni <turt...(a)fastmail.net> wrote:
> > >On Jun 20, 10:56 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > >> > [bending of light by the sun]
> > >> > As we all know, a glass or plastic lens bends light, simply because
> > >> > the light passing through same has to have the same phase front and
> > >> > also travel slower.  This is just what is happening when the starlight
> > >> > passes through the dense (or light, depending upon radial distance)
> > >> > atmosphere outside the sun.  In other words, the sun is acting as an
> > >> > optical lens, and thus bending the starlight.
>
> > >> No. You REALLY need to read the literature. In particular, the bending of light
> > >> by the sun due to gravitation is INDEPENDENT OF WAVELENGTH of the light. The
> > >> optical refraction of the sun's atmosphere depends on the wavelength of the
> > >> light. Measurements have been made at multiple wavelengths that include a model
> > >> of the sun's atmosphere, and the effect due to gravitation dominates; the result
> > >> is consistent with GR.
>
> > >> Also, the sun's deflection of microwaves has been measured via VLBI out past 90
> > >> degrees from the sun, where the solar atmosphere is completely negligible. Such
> > >> a path does not get any closer to the sun than the earth is, yet the sun's
> > >> gravitational deflection is measurable and consistent with GR.
>
> > >> > To totally ignore this optical aspect, [...]
>
> > >> It is not ignored in the physics literature. For you to totally ignore the
> > >> physics literature is indeed "terrific bungling or intellectual dishonesty of
> > >> the lowest kind".
>
> > >> Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are many other tests of GR.
>
> > >>         And there are 3 potential refutations of GR for which the jury
> > >>         is still out: the Pioneer anomaly, dark matter and energy, and
> > >>         spacecraft flyby anomalies.
>
> > >> Tom Roberts
>
> > >You have to bare in mind that the vast majority of usenet posters
> > >appear to be mentally ill..
>
> > >HTHelps.
>
> > Welcome back to the scene.
> > It takes a kind of mental illness just to be human,
> > thus all but the BORG are loony.
> > Functioning in society requires a common mental illness
> > called domestication, a learned stance.
>
> > Best,
> > Martin
>
> The self construction projected onto whatever floats your boat. Since
> our biological apparatus lends us towards the luxery of improved
> coffee and cow dung brewing techiques as well as the quest for
> immorality aka *lack of pain and/or anxiety, we'd like to imagine that concrete
> better paves those yellow brick roads. Plus Uncle Al's wife's udders
> possible induce some form of worship. Although my last quip is likely
> untrue, i unhappy conclude.
>
> Yours,
>
>  Detective Goren

*typo fixed
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