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From: glird on 24 Apr 2010 17:45 On Apr 23, 11:40 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 23, 10:28 am, maxwell <s...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > > Could you supply one reference (preferably online) which MEASURES the gravitational effects on a single electron? This effect seems very unlikely as the ratio of the EM to gravitational force on an electron is at least 10**40. > > > > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1977RScI...48....1W I looked at the referenced page and found nothing about HOW the g- force is measured. Thinking that perhaps it might be treated in "physics today", I picked up the nearest issue and opened it to -- of all things -- "Universal insights from few-body land" by C. H. Greene. I started to read the article and found its main thesis ("The universal properties of systems having short-range interactions -- be they among cold atoms or nucleons or molecule -- connect in turn to the beautiful but mysterious effect discovered by nuclear theorist Vitaly Efimov ... in 1969") fascinating. On studying the article after being intrigued by its next sentence ("Within the past four years, progress has erupted in exploring the Efimov effect and related phenomena through the manipulation of dilute atomic gases near a Fano-Feshbach resonance") I read the rest of the page and the next one, studying its Figures 1 and 2 and trying to understand what it was talking about even though its math is WAY over (or under?) my head. Then I turned to the next page (62, of this March, 2010 issue) and was reading the part entitled "The Smoking Gun" and then, when I got to the place where it said "in 2009 several experiments managed to obtain completely convincing and unambiguous evidence -- smoking guns of universal physics" I looked at Figure 3 across the entire top of the page; and WHAMM!! There, in deep blue, was a line tracing out EXACTLY THE SAME pattern hand drawn as the structural pattern of all mono-nuclear matter-units, from atoms to galaxies, in my 1965 book, The Nature of Matter and Energy (Figure 41-4 on page 320). Here is one of the sentences ... Sorry! On looking for ONE key sentence I found myself back at pg 211, and it is now an HOUR or so later and i am still too fascinated by my own words to pick out one sentence for you, here. As to an electron, that story is complicated. glird
From: master1729 on 24 Apr 2010 14:04 glird wrote : > On Apr 23, 11:40 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Apr 23, 10:28 am, maxwell <s...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > > > > Could you supply one reference (preferably > online) which MEASURES the gravitational effects on a > single electron? This effect seems very unlikely as > the ratio of the EM to gravitational force on an > electron is at least 10**40. > > > > > > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1977RScI...48....1W > > I looked at the referenced page and found nothing > ng about HOW the g- > force is measured. Thinking that perhaps it might be > treated in > "physics today", I picked up the nearest issue and > opened it to -- of > all things -- > "Universal insights from few-body land" by C. H. > . Greene. I started > to read the article and found its main thesis ("The > universal > properties of systems having short-range interactions > -- be they among > cold atoms or nucleons or molecule -- connect in turn > to the beautiful > but mysterious effect discovered by nuclear theorist > Vitaly Efimov ... > in 1969") fascinating. On studying the article after > being intrigued > by its next sentence ("Within the past four years, > progress has > erupted in exploring the Efimov effect and related > phenomena through > the manipulation of dilute atomic gases near a > Fano-Feshbach > resonance") I read the rest of the page and the next > one, studying its > Figures 1 and 2 and trying to understand what it was > talking about > even though its math is WAY over (or under?) my head. > Then I turned > to the next page (62, of this March, 2010 issue) and > was reading the > part entitled "The Smoking Gun" and then, when I got > to the place > where it said "in 2009 several experiments managed to > obtain > completely convincing and unambiguous evidence -- > smoking guns of > universal physics" I looked at Figure 3 across the > entire top of the > page; and WHAMM!! > There, in deep blue, was a line tracing out EXACTLY > LY THE SAME pattern > hand drawn as the structural pattern of all > mono-nuclear matter-units, > from atoms to galaxies, in my 1965 book, The Nature > of Matter and > Energy (Figure 41-4 on page 320). Here is one of the > sentences ... > Sorry! On looking for ONE key sentence I found > myself back at pg > 211, and it is now an HOUR or so later and i am still > too fascinated > by my own words to pick out one sentence for you, > here. As to an > electron, that story is complicated. > > glird wait , you wrote a book in 1965 ? or does " my 1965 book " simply means you bought that book ? but you say "fascinated by my own words , so its your book ?" intresting.
From: Don Stockbauer on 24 Apr 2010 18:14 Electron's puzzles. An electron said "I'm going to be just as mysterious to those macroscopic humans as I can possibly be so that they spend trillons of hours wondering about me and my buddies."
From: glird on 25 Apr 2010 18:24 On Apr 24, 6:04 pm, master1729 <tommy1...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > glird wrote : > > > > > On Apr 23, 11:40 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 10:28 am, maxwell <s...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > > > > > Could you supply one reference (preferably > > online) which MEASURES the gravitational effects on a > > single electron? This effect seems very unlikely as > > the ratio of the EM to gravitational force on an > > electron is at least 10**40. > > > > > >http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1977RScI...48....1W > > > I looked at the referenced page and found nothing > > ng about HOW the g- > > force is measured. Thinking that perhaps it might be > > treated in > > "physics today", I picked up the nearest issue and > > opened it to -- of > > all things -- > > "Universal insights from few-body land" by C. H. > > . Greene. I started > > to read the article and found its main thesis ("The > > universal > > properties of systems having short-range interactions > > -- be they among > > cold atoms or nucleons or molecule -- connect in turn > > to the beautiful > > but mysterious effect discovered by nuclear theorist > > Vitaly Efimov ... > > in 1969") fascinating. On studying the article after > > being intrigued > > by its next sentence ("Within the past four years, > > progress has > > erupted in exploring the Efimov effect and related > > phenomena through > > the manipulation of dilute atomic gases near a > > Fano-Feshbach > > resonance") I read the rest of the page and the next > > one, studying its > > Figures 1 and 2 and trying to understand what it was > > talking about > > even though its math is WAY over (or under?) my head. > > Then I turned > > to the next page (62, of this March, 2010 issue) and > > was reading the > > part entitled "The Smoking Gun" and then, when I got > > to the place > > where it said "in 2009 several experiments managed to > > obtain > > completely convincing and unambiguous evidence -- > > smoking guns of > > universal physics" I looked at Figure 3 across the > > entire top of the > > page; and WHAMM!! > > There, in deep blue, was a line tracing out EXACTLY > > LY THE SAME pattern > > hand drawn as the structural pattern of all > > mono-nuclear matter-units, > > from atoms to galaxies, in my 1965 book, The Nature > > of Matter and > > Energy (Figure 41-4 on page 320). Here is one of the > > sentences ... > > Sorry! On looking for ONE key sentence I found > > myself back at pg > > 211, and it is now an HOUR or so later and i am still > > too fascinated > > by my own words to pick out one sentence for you, > > here. As to an > > electron, that story is complicated. > > > glird > > wait , you wrote a book in 1965 ? i wrote a book that was published in 1965. > or does " my 1965 book " simply means you bought that book ? > > but you say "fascinated by my own words , so its your book ?" yep. > intresting. VERY !! glird
From: glird on 25 Apr 2010 18:31
On Apr 24, 6:14 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Electron's puzzles. > > An electron said "I'm going to be just as mysterious to those > macroscopic humans as I can possibly be so that they spend trillons of > hours wondering about me and my buddies." Not quite. If you want to know what it really said, change the word "hours" to "dollars". To witch our scientists cleverly replied, "Where ignorance is bliss=$ $$^6, ts folly to be wise." glird |