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From: BURT on 4 Aug 2010 16:41
This means that GR in the case of black holes is wrong. Black holes
violate the the motion laws set forth by Einstein in Special
Relativity.

There will be a limited acceleration theory for the strength of
gravity. Therefore energy will never be pushed to light speed when
falling into the greatest gravity.

Jets prove that there are no black holes; in the end matter and light
are observed to escape.

Mitch Raemsch
From: bert on 5 Aug 2010 08:45
On Aug 4, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> This means that GR in the case of black holes is wrong. Black holes
> violate the the motion laws set forth by Einstein in Special
> Relativity.
>
> There will be a limited acceleration theory for the strength of
> gravity. Therefore energy will never be pushed to light speed when
> falling into the greatest gravity.
>
> Jets prove that there are no black holes; in the end matter and light
> are observed to escape.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Only space expansion need not obey the speed limit of c TreBert
From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 09:21
On Aug 4, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> This means that GR in the case of black holes is wrong. Black holes
> violate the the motion laws set forth by Einstein in Special
> Relativity.
>
> There will be a limited acceleration theory for the strength of
> gravity. Therefore energy will never be pushed to light speed when
> falling into the greatest gravity.
>
> Jets prove that there are no black holes; in the end matter and light
> are observed to escape.
>

Correct. And this is what is occurring at the Universal scale.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html

'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
stream of a black hole.

The following is an image of a jet stream:

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.

From: Y.Porat on 5 Aug 2010 11:07
On Aug 5, 2:45 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This means that GR in the case of black holes is wrong. Black holes
> > violate the the motion laws set forth by Einstein in Special
> > Relativity.
>
> > There will be a limited acceleration theory for the strength of
> > gravity. Therefore energy will never be pushed to light speed when
> > falling into the greatest gravity.
>
> > Jets prove that there are no black holes; in the end matter and light
> > are observed to escape.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Only space expansion need  not obey the speed limit of c   TreBert

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apparently because
the gravity wave
moves at the velocity of light !!

ATB
Y.Porat
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From: BURT on 5 Aug 2010 16:08
On Aug 5, 6:21 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This means that GR in the case of black holes is wrong. Black holes
> > violate the the motion laws set forth by Einstein in Special
> > Relativity.
>
> > There will be a limited acceleration theory for the strength of
> > gravity. Therefore energy will never be pushed to light speed when
> > falling into the greatest gravity.
>
> > Jets prove that there are no black holes; in the end matter and light
> > are observed to escape.
>
> Correct. And this is what is occurring at the Universal scale.
>
> 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> stream of a black hole.
>
> The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.

Gravity cannot even push energy to the speed of light let alone beyond
which is a motion that does not exist unless light is propagating in
matter slower than matter as in Cherenkov Radiation.

Mitch Raemsch
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